Subject: Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
Date: May 10, 2004 @ 00:40
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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> I like the tp railway too.http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.j
>
> I think Jack Parsell spotted it during GCEBE.
>
>
>netherlands germany
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: acroorca2002
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:17 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium
>not
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > I think that there was talk here at BP of BEDENL being a
> quintipoint
> > for a short period of time, when Neutral Moresnet was still
> > incorporated into Belgium, but the Eupen area was, so thattwo
> areasHas
> > of Belgium met at this point, embracing Neutral Moresnet.
> thiseupen
> > ever been proven or refuted?
>
> yes i think you may be referring to message 813
> where there is a try at a full chronology of bedenl
> as well as a link to a nice map that shows all 5 slices of the
> quintipoint pie at once
>
> & i think you may have the sequence reversed here above
> since articles 32 & 33 of the treaty of versailles
> http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/all440.html
> made the former bede condo of moresnet fully belgian
> effective immediately on 28 june 1919
> while article 34 also made the formerly german county of
> & malmedy belgianthe
> but only provided the residents didnt object too much during
> ensuing 6 monthswould
>
> & the wrangling about this actually continued til 1921 or 1922
>
> but of course bedenl was never a quinticountry point
>
> only a quintisomething point at best
>
> even to consider bedenl as a former quadricountry point
> require misconstruing the moresnet bede condo into acountry
> which of course it never really wasMoresnet
> but only a neutral or condominial community
>
> more below
>
> > If the small segment of the circle at BEDENL represents
> Neutral
> > Moresnet, as I believe it does, then the Eupen area (Neu
> Moresnet
> > former municipality) falls into the German segment!
> >
> > Or does this segment include Neutral Moresnet (=Kelmis
> former
> > municipality) AND Neu Moresnet?
>
> i believe the confusion here is owing to the fact that the 4 slice
> pie depicted by the paving stones must date from before
> versailles
>
> which means the benl & denl lines there are still correct today
>
> but since eupen is east of moresnet & both are belgian today
> contemporary bede is not depicted at all by the paving stones
>
> yikes
>
> nice discovery
>
> more at end
>
> > Cf. http://www.kelmis.be/fr/commune/intro.htm
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Eef Berns"
> <eefberns@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > Yes, that "unnamed division of land " is Moresnet.
> > >
> > > Cees Damen provides detailed information about
> onaround
> > www.moresnet.nl
> > > Jannis Deeleman specialises in the bordermarkers
> thisbordermarkers
> > tripoint (www.grenspalen.com), unfortunately only in Dutch
> > > On www.grenspalen.nl there's a page on the
> of MoresnetPeter
> > >
> > > The BeDeLu - tripoint has some tourist facilities like
> information
> > boards, parkings etc. but seems less visited.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > websites:
> > > - de grenspalen van Nederland: www.grenspalen.nl
> > > - email-forum over grenspalen:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/
> > > - Ivn-Eindhoven: http://www.dse.nl/ivn
> > > - Passie voor wijn: www.wijnpassie.nl
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill Burke
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: Peter Hering ; Carsten Schou Jørgensen ; Hans
> Nissen ;some
> > Michael Kaufman ; doug@b...
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:39 AM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium
> netherlands germany
> > >
> > >
> > > Following a recent visit, (photos to come) I would like
> moreregarding
> > information ( have there been previous measages
> thisonly
> > interesting tri-point?). I believe that it was once the worlds
> 4the
> > nation point when Neutaal Moresnet existed. Markings on
> ground atfresks,
> > this site suggest an unnamed division of land .Is this
> Moresnet?
> > >
> > > The whole are here seems to designed for border
> being apoints
> > tourist area based on the point. Do other tourist type tri
> > exist?diagrams
>
> all tripoints are for acutourists
>
> & many tripoint markers depict their boundary conjunctions
>
> but so far as i know
> only azconmut & kytnva incorporate similarly elaborate
> in the surrounding pavements-----
>
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