this is inconclusive to my eyes as well as obviated by my belief
that itva follows the marble to cobble interface
wherever that line may lie & lead
at least as far as the sickle corner in the north
& all the way to & past the 3rd propylaeum
at the southwest corner of the ellipse
etc

btw the 4th or northwest corner propylaeum
which i had previously believed was a factor in itva
bites the dust now if the sickle is as real as it seems
despite the vatican disavowal in http://tinyurl.com/3gjob
since the closure of the sickle would foreshorten & prevent
italian territory from reaching far enough into the corner

but that calls the last & biggest question

should we believe in the vatican version of its borders
as depicted on the above official map
or should we believe in the gospel according to tullio & vito

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> My attachment that eluded you was nothing more than 20 KB

snipped out of the

> wonderful 1.6 MB panorama at
> http://www.qedata.se/bilder/panoramor/petersplatsen.jpg . It

focused narrowly

> on the end of the north (left) arm of the colonnade. If you will

look carefully

> there, you should see that the propylaeum seems to lack the

light-colored steps

> that are present along the adjacent narrower colonnade. Of

course, this

> interior propylaeum does not necessarily prove the condition of

the

> corresponding exterior propylaeum, but perhaps the pavement

at the level of the

> square goes all the way through to Italy (wherever that is).
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA