--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> I, too, would love to know exactly how the Lateran Treaty of
1929 delimited the
> boundary along and about the colonnade.
>
> The MXUS boundary in the Rio Grande's wild segments is the
natural middle of the
> river. In the several artificially rectified and channelized
segments, the
> boundary is delimited in the 1970 treaty as a series of straight
lines and
> curved arcs, both geometrically described between coordinate
points . The
> largest curve is upstream of Hidalgo/Reynosa. It is an arc with
a radius of
> 2,585.30 feet and length of 4,100.07 feet. Yes, this is an
underwater boundary,
& yes this would be a manmade
f i g u r e
delineating a border
just like the arcs of depa or dzly etc
except more wet than dry in this case
as you indicate
however
i still dont see any manmade
f e a t u r e
there yet
or any feature at all to go with this figure
tho you did begin by speaking of artificial channels
as examples of manmade features
moreover
what about the ongoing border adjustment regime you
described around the middle of message 12709
does this not apply here also
still
whatever it is you are so affirmatively pointing to here
it must make a pretty even if completely different kind of sight
as well as an exemplar of an entirely different sort of rarity
but can we see this or any other such mxus arc on a map
end insertion
> not as readily accessible as the Vatican step.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:04 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
>
>
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > If you're looking for "a nonstraight linear manmade feature
> > delineating a
> > > border," I think a good example would be the artificially
> > relocated and
> > > channelized Rio Grande in several places.
> > >
> > > Do I correctly understand your quest?
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> > not sure there is any calling for a full blown quest here yet
> >
> > for one thing
> > i dont know if the graphics we just saw overprinted on the
vatican
> > pix do accurately portray the actual verbal delineation in the
treaty
> > or if they are just someones not quite exact but best shot at it
> >
> > for if the curving edge of the top step of the colonnade should
in
> > fact hold up
> > somewhere amidst all that italian fine print
> > rather than the straight outer edges of the column bases
> > as depicted by the line art
> > then we still really have no better pilgrimage than to just stay
> > right here & simply run our hand along this most obvious &
> > available & truly rare if not utterly unique curving itva stone
edge
> >
> > for i am not so ready to completely give up on such a
beautiful &
> > otherwise very apparent probability without better proof of its
> > debunkment
> >
> > but if all such itva curve hopes should indeed prove to be a
dead
> > issue
> > i would still imagine some nonstraight road centerlines
could be
> > found functioning as de jure borders & readily available
> > somewhere
> > before needing to resort to such arcane & speculative &
possibly
> > even underwater questing opportunities as you suggest
> > since i am under the impression that the ibwc dictates the
> > border as a periodically renewed geodesic continuum
anyway
> >
> > in fact it was you who told me this
> > wasnt it
> > that the unmonumented parts of mxus are actually all ibwc
> > designated straight lines now
> > & that the true road to any boundary points truly situated on it
> > thus runs thru el paso for that reason
> > etc
> >
> > so i think before there is any real quest
> > there is first a question as to whether there is any category at
all
> > here
> >
> > of course it wouldnt be hard to find de facto borders that run
> > along the facades of walls or edges of stones
> > say in cyprus
> > but i think the most interesting thing about this category of
stone
> > edges
> > if it even truly exists in de jure reality
> > is that a stone edge rather than a stone center would perform
the
> > demarcation
> > so one could actually feel the boundary line curving along
under
> > ones hand or foot
> >
> > but another reason i dont want to give up so easily on these
> > colonnade edges is that they could also stand to be the
worlds
> > longest border markers
> >
> > & i realize this is all still just guessing & second guessing
> >
> > but before proceeding
> > can anyone ferret anything more definitive about the actual
> > delineation from these or any other itva texts