well whatever you may or may not have changed
fortunately it is all still here below to check
& if you really do want to know the truth
then why not spell out & measure up your full itinerary as it is
rather than just the approximate fly by mileages for some of it
& likewise why not actually estimate the parts you cant spell out
rather than shrugging them off with a vague plus sign
as such variables can be guesstimed fairly well from experience
until you do
i can only continue to imagine we might be talking about the
same trip
& to continue to figure it very crudely as follows
vancouver to beaver creek to hyder to vancouver is 3600 miles
vancouver to international falls to detroit to niagara to estcourt to
campobello to bangor all direct is 4000 miles
& tho you claim this 4000 takes account of all the stops
i dont see how it can
because many of them involve substantial side trips
indeed the dozen or so mentioned destinations that are not on
this direct route add perhaps 1200 miles by my own wild guess
serendipity & unplanned necessity & mistakes etc add perhaps
another 700 miles
or more
so my grand total thus far is perhaps 9500 miles or more
which may not be so very different from what you are calling
7540 miles plus
perhaps without fully realizing just how big that plus must be
btw
last time i tried
it wasnt possible to rent a driveaway dropoff either to or from
alaska
so that may not actually be an option for you either
perhaps you could do it in whitehorse
but
for the same economic reasons
i wouldnt count on it
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> No. I am not changing what I am saying here, nor what
> you said. And I am not disagreeing with you for the
> sake of pleasure. I am disagreeing with you for the
> sake of truth. And I presented several options for
> arriving at distances. One of these was to start at
> around Beaver Creek. Another, LONGER route was to
> rent a car in Vancouver, drive to Beaver Creek, then
> drive to Blaine. THIS route gives 7540 miles
> (finishing at Bangor). Any route starting at the
> vicinity of Beaver Creek would be less, as there are
> in fact airports and car rental facilities closer to
> Beaver Creek than Vancouver. Taking the LONGER route
> of Vancouver to Beaver Creek to Blaine to Bangor, we
> have 7540 + stops, hotels, food. Which still isn't
> 10,000 miles.
>
> --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
> > ah but mike
> > for the sheer pleasure of disagreeing with me
> > you are now changing not only what i said but what
> > you said too
> >
> > if you start from vancouver
> > you cant very well start from beaver creek too
> > can you
> >
> > & thats only a few thousand extra miles you still
> > havent counted
> > yet
> >
> >
> > but i see now even peter
> > who started it all
> > has backed out
> >
> > & it sounds like dougs thru route wont even be
> > leaving the
> > transcanada highway
> >
> > so that may leave only you & me to actually go
> > border freaking
> >
> > hmm
> > so how about making it a tripointing expedition
> > after all then
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > I was speaking concerning the stops I had in my
> > list.
> > > And there are quite a few national car chains
> > within
> > > range of the beginning and ending points. It's
> > only a
> > > little over 110 miles from Campobello to Bangor.
> > And
> > > it's only 30 miles from Blaine to Vancouver.
> > > (Vancouver and Bangor both have airports and car
> > > rental facilities.) This 140+ miles plus wrong
> > turns
> > > plus driving to restaurants and hotels etc, sure
> > > doesn't come close to 2600 miles!!!
> > >
> > > --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> > > > haha
> > > > well it is true i was high in the andes
> > > > thank goodness
> > > > but what you are now actually saying here mike
> > at
> > > > minimum
> > > > namely
> > > > beginning from beaver creek of all places as if
> > you
> > > > really could
> > > > & then skipping skagway now
> > > > to hyder to point roberts to international falls
> > to
> > > > detroit to niagara
> > > > to estcourt to campobello
> > > > via all the other stops mentioned below by
> > everyone
> > > > but me too
> > > > & within the terms of the actual 2 week tour
> > being
> > > > contemplated
> > > > & even assuming direct travel & no wrong turns
> > or
> > > > serendipity
> > > > which of course you cant because you wont
> > actually
> > > > do that
> > > > & even assuming you could just end the trip at
> > > > campobello too
> > > > which you cant do either
> > > > will still add up on the odometer to far more
> > than
> > > > the 7400 miles
> > > > you are seeing on your roadmap
> > > >
> > > > so in the event of reality
> > > > if any
> > > > rather than teleportation to the start & from
> > the
> > > > end
> > > > etc etc
> > > > you are certainly pushing if not actually into 5
> > > > digits of miles
> > > > even with this foreshortened itinerary
> > > >
> > > > & if you dont believe me
> > > > well then by all means try it with or without
> > the
> > > > cocaine
> > > > but i dont see how anyone could actually even
> > try to
> > > > make such a
> > > > try under any circumstances
> > > > let alone with a whole carload of people
> > > >
> > > > & i say this having already driven about 99
> > percent
> > > > of it myself
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > > Kaufman
> > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > No way. Blaine, WA to Campobello Is. is just
> > over
> > > > > 4000 by Mapquest, taking into account all of
> > the
> > > > > stops. Adding a segment of Skagway to Blaine
> > adds
> > > > > 1500 miles. So that makes 5500 miles. A
> > Yukon
> > > > > crossing near Beaver Creek could be done in
> > 1700
> > > > miles
> > > > > (distance to Blaine), which would make 5700.
> > Even
> > > > if
> > > > > you were thinking of a round trip segment from
> > > > Blaine
> > > > > to Yukon to Blaine, you would still only get
> > 7400
> > > > > miles. Any of these figures are much closer
> > to
> > > > 6000
> > > > > than 11,000. Were your calculations done
> > while on
> > > > the
> > > > > aformentioned cocaine? heh heh heh ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > yes awful high
> > > > > > especially if you move gold rush park from
> > > > skagway
> > > > > > to practically
> > > > > > anywhere else
> > > > > > since that alone could save you over 2000
> > miles
> > > > of
> > > > > > driving
> > > > > > & make your guess of closer to 6000 miles
> > than
> > > > 10000
> > > > > > correct
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but if you moved gold rush park to the yukon
> > > > > > as it appears you may still be intending to
> > do
> > > > > > then you would be closer to 11000 miles than
> > > > 6000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Michael
> > > > > > Kaufman"
> > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hmm 10,000 seems an awful high estimate.
> > > > Closer
> > > > > > to 6,000 I
> > > > > > think.
> > > > > > > But regardless it seems Gold Rush is not
> > the
> > > > park
> > > > > > I was
> > > > > > looking for
> > > > > > > as that borders on BC, not YK.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "acroorca2002"
> > > > > > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > hey it wouldnt be impractical to just
> > > > remember
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > would it
> > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > as if an alaska to new brunswick motor
> > tour
> > > > > > could actually be
> > > > > > > > done in the same 2 weeks anyway
> > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > even without any of the other mentioned
> > side
> > > > > > trips & stops
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > well maybe if you had enough cocaine
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but it looks like you are already
> > pushing
> > > > 10000
> > > > > > miles there
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > Michael
> > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hmm some of those I think would have
> > to be
> > > > > > precluded
> > > > > > > > > due to practicality. And the
> > Binational
> > > > tps
> > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > more a subject of another trip I
> > think.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > nice lists all
> > > > > > > > > > & if we are really going to do the
> > full
> > > > > > 2week
> > > > > > > > > > great north american border
> > expedition
> > > > > > > > > > without mexico but with a bazuco
> > > > > > > > > > then lets at least remember
> > > > > > > > > > hans island cadk
> > > > > > > > > > isle verte cafr
> > > > > > > > > > & the diomedes ruus
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > the twin virgin idaho british
> > columbia
> > > > > > tripoints
> > > > > > > > > > & others equally causal
> > > > > > > > > > sometimes practically coincident
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > choices
> > > > > > > > > > tho i wont spoil it by telling you
> > which
> > > > > > ones til we
> > > > > > > > > > get close
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > Doug
> > > > > > Murray
> > > > > > > > > > <doug@d...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I can't believe I missed Haskell,
> > > > Beebe, &
> > > > > > > > > > Canusa... and lunch
> > > > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > > > > Hurtibuse's! And dinner at
> > Hoagie's
> > > > Pizza
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > Newport,
> > > > > > > > > > Vermont.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at
> > 10:31
> > > > PM,
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nice job. I have been
> > constructing
> > > > > > (made it
> > > > > > > > > > several
> > > > > > > > > > > > months ago and added here and
> > there)
> > > > my
> > > > > > own list
> > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > > > very similar to yours. Though
> > there
> > > > are
> > > > > > a few
> > > > > > > > > > > > differences.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Here it is:
> > > > > > > > > > > > CA-US:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gold Rush Int. Park - YK/AK
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Roberts, Peace Arch, 0 Ave.
> > > > > > > > > > > > North Portal, SK - Portal, ND
> > Golf
> > > > > > Course
> > > > > > > > > > > > International Peace Gardens
> > > > > > > > > > > > International Peace Park -
> > Waterton
> > > > > > Glacier,
> > > > > > > > > > Alberta
> > > > > > > > > > > > International Falls - MN
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pinecreek/Piney Airport -
> > Pinecreek
> > > > MN,
> > > > > > Piney MB
> > > > > > > > > > > > Detroit/Windsor Tunnel
> > > > > > > > > > > > Niagara Falls
> > > > > > > > > > > > Zavikon Bridge & 1000 Islands
> > > > > > > > > > > > NY/Que bar with pool table
> > > > > > > > > > > > Haskell, Beebe, Canusa
> > > > > > > > > > > > Campobello - NB/ME
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Murray <doug@d...>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> We are definitely due for a
> > Great
> > > > North
> > > > > > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Border Expedition
> > > > > > > > > > > >> (though, Mexico would not be
> > > > included
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > time).
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Highlights:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Stewart BC-Hyder AK ( a
> > toughie, as
> > > > it
> > > > > > is so
> > > > > > > > > > far
> > > > > > > > > > > >> north)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Point Roberts
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Sleeping at the Smugglers Inn
> > on
> > > > Zero
> > > > > > Ave.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Zero Ave!
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Peace Arch (BC-WA)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Peace Garden (MB-ND)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> The Pineycreek (MB-MN) Airport
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Angle Inlet
> > > > > > > > > > > >> International Falls, MN - Fort
> > > > Frances,
> > > > > > ON
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Windsor, ON - Detroit, MI
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Niagara Falls
> > > > > > > > > > > >> The intersection of Douglas &
> > > > Murray in
> > > > > > Fort
> > > > > > > > > > Erie,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> ON (though for
> > > > > > > > > > > >> personal reasons!)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Akwesasne Reserve
> > > > > > > > > > > >> The Border Bar (Fort Covington,
> > NY
> > > > -
> > > > > > Dundee,
> > > > > > > > > > QC)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> The Border Golf Course (ME-NB)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> And Campobello Island (ME-NB)
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> 2 weeks for this one!
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Doug
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Monday, March 8, 2004, at
> > 06:27
> > > > AM,
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > Hering
> > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Hello all,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I've just added a picture to
> > the
> > > > photo
> > > > > > section
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >> BP:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> taken in Ft. Covington -
> > border
> > > > > > Québec/NY.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Wouldn't it be nice to have a
> > real
> > > > > > party
> > > > > > > > > > here??
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Playing billiards - one leg in
> > > > each
> > > > > > country,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> drinking bourbon in
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> the US, while smoking a nice
> > cigar
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > Canada...!
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> well, just say when - I'll be
> > > > there!
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
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> > > > > > > > > > > >>> MafiapeteDk
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