Border Expedition experience tells us that planning doesn't mean beans
to borderfreaks. I'm sure expedition mastermind Peter Hering must
shake his head at us as we destroy the most liberal driving schedule.
On the first expedition I believe we were always several hours behind
schedule when we pulled into our resting place. And then there was one
night in eastern Germany...
So 2 weeks to do a North American border expedition is possible, but
not very realistic. However, removing the Alaska - Washington segment
would help considerably.
From my own experience, by car:
Vancouver -> Calgary is 12 hours.
Calgary -> Winnipeg is 12 hours.
Winnipeg -> Marquette, MI (via Duluth) is about 16 hours.
Marquette -> Cornwall, ON (Via Sarnia/Pt. Huron) is 14 hours.
Cornwall -> Bangor, ME is 12.
And Bangor -> Halifax, NS is an inconsequential 9 hours.
The point of all those hours? Not much. But it would be a hell of a
trip! Who's interested?
Doug
On Saturday, March 13, 2004, at 07:18 PM, Michael Kaufman wrote:
> I was speaking concerning the stops I had in my list.
> And there are quite a few national car chains within
> range of the beginning and ending points. It's only a
> little over 110 miles from Campobello to Bangor. And
> it's only 30 miles from Blaine to Vancouver.
> (Vancouver and Bangor both have airports and car
> rental facilities.) This 140+ miles plus wrong turns
> plus driving to restaurants and hotels etc, sure
> doesn't come close to 2600 miles!!!
>
> --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@...> wrote:
>> haha
>> well it is true i was high in the andes
>> thank goodness
>> but what you are now actually saying here mike at
>> minimum
>> namely
>> beginning from beaver creek of all places as if you
>> really could
>> & then skipping skagway now
>> to hyder to point roberts to international falls to
>> detroit to niagara
>> to estcourt to campobello
>> via all the other stops mentioned below by everyone
>> but me too
>> & within the terms of the actual 2 week tour being
>> contemplated
>> & even assuming direct travel & no wrong turns or
>> serendipity
>> which of course you cant because you wont actually
>> do that
>> & even assuming you could just end the trip at
>> campobello too
>> which you cant do either
>> will still add up on the odometer to far more than
>> the 7400 miles
>> you are seeing on your roadmap
>>
>> so in the event of reality
>> if any
>> rather than teleportation to the start & from the
>> end
>> etc etc
>> you are certainly pushing if not actually into 5
>> digits of miles
>> even with this foreshortened itinerary
>>
>> & if you dont believe me
>> well then by all means try it with or without the
>> cocaine
>> but i dont see how anyone could actually even try to
>> make such a
>> try under any circumstances
>> let alone with a whole carload of people
>>
>> & i say this having already driven about 99 percent
>> of it myself
>>
>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
>> Kaufman
>> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
>>> No way. Blaine, WA to Campobello Is. is just over
>>> 4000 by Mapquest, taking into account all of the
>>> stops. Adding a segment of Skagway to Blaine adds
>>> 1500 miles. So that makes 5500 miles. A Yukon
>>> crossing near Beaver Creek could be done in 1700
>> miles
>>> (distance to Blaine), which would make 5700. Even
>> if
>>> you were thinking of a round trip segment from
>> Blaine
>>> to Yukon to Blaine, you would still only get 7400
>>> miles. Any of these figures are much closer to
>> 6000
>>> than 11,000. Were your calculations done while on
>> the
>>> aformentioned cocaine? heh heh heh ;)
>>>
>>> --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
>>>> yes awful high
>>>> especially if you move gold rush park from
>> skagway
>>>> to practically
>>>> anywhere else
>>>> since that alone could save you over 2000 miles
>> of
>>>> driving
>>>> & make your guess of closer to 6000 miles than
>> 10000
>>>> correct
>>>>
>>>> but if you moved gold rush park to the yukon
>>>> as it appears you may still be intending to do
>>>> then you would be closer to 11000 miles than
>> 6000
>>>>
>>>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael
>>>> Kaufman"
>>>> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
>>>>> Hmm 10,000 seems an awful high estimate.
>> Closer
>>>> to 6,000 I
>>>> think.
>>>>> But regardless it seems Gold Rush is not the
>> park
>>>> I was
>>>> looking for
>>>>> as that borders on BC, not YK.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
>>>> "acroorca2002"
>>>> <orc@o...> wrote:
>>>>>> hahaha
>>>>>> hey it wouldnt be impractical to just
>> remember
>>>> them
>>>>>> would it
>>>>>> hahaha
>>>>>> as if an alaska to new brunswick motor tour
>>>> could actually be
>>>>>> done in the same 2 weeks anyway
>>>>>> hahaha
>>>>>> even without any of the other mentioned side
>>>> trips & stops
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well maybe if you had enough cocaine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but it looks like you are already pushing
>> 10000
>>>> miles there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
>> Michael
>>>> Kaufman
>>>>>> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hmm some of those I think would have to be
>>>> precluded
>>>>>>> due to practicality. And the Binational
>> tps
>>>> would be
>>>>>>> more a subject of another trip I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> nice lists all
>>>>>>>> & if we are really going to do the full
>>>> 2week
>>>>>>>> great north american border expedition
>>>>>>>> without mexico but with a bazuco
>>>>>>>> then lets at least remember
>>>>>>>> hans island cadk
>>>>>>>> isle verte cafr
>>>>>>>> & the diomedes ruus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> the twin virgin idaho british columbia
>>>> tripoints
>>>>>>>> & others equally causal
>>>>>>>> sometimes practically coincident with
>> your
>>>> choices
>>>>>>>> tho i wont spoil it by telling you which
>>>> ones til we
>>>>>>>> get close
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
>> Doug
>>>> Murray
>>>>>>>> <doug@d...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I can't believe I missed Haskell,
>> Beebe, &
>>>>>>>> Canusa... and lunch
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> Hurtibuse's! And dinner at Hoagie's
>> Pizza
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Newport,
>>>>>>>> Vermont.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 10:31
>> PM,
>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>> Kaufman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice job. I have been constructing
>>>> (made it
>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>> months ago and added here and there)
>> my
>>>> own list
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> very similar to yours. Though there
>> are
>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>> differences.
>>>>>>>>>> Here it is:
>>>>>>>>>> CA-US:
>>>>>>>>>> Gold Rush Int. Park - YK/AK
>>>>>>>>>> Pt. Roberts, Peace Arch, 0 Ave.
>>>>>>>>>> North Portal, SK - Portal, ND Golf
>>>> Course
>>>>>>>>>> International Peace Gardens
>>>>>>>>>> International Peace Park - Waterton
>>>> Glacier,
>>>>>>>> Alberta
>>>>>>>>>> International Falls - MN
>>>>>>>>>> Pinecreek/Piney Airport - Pinecreek
>> MN,
>>>> Piney MB
>>>>>>>>>> Detroit/Windsor Tunnel
>>>>>>>>>> Niagara Falls
>>>>>>>>>> Zavikon Bridge & 1000 Islands
>>>>>>>>>> NY/Que bar with pool table
>>>>>>>>>> Haskell, Beebe, Canusa
>>>>>>>>>> Campobello - NB/ME
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- Doug Murray <doug@d...>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> We are definitely due for a Great
>> North
>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>>>> Border Expedition
>>>>>>>>>>> (though, Mexico would not be
>> included
>>>> this
>>>>>>>> time).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart BC-Hyder AK ( a toughie, as
>> it
>>>> is so
>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>> north)
>>>>>>>>>>> Point Roberts
>>>>>>>>>>> Sleeping at the Smugglers Inn on
>> Zero
>>>> Ave.
>>>>>>>>>>> Zero Ave!
>>>>>>>>>>> Peace Arch (BC-WA)
>>>>>>>>>>> Peace Garden (MB-ND)
>>>>>>>>>>> The Pineycreek (MB-MN) Airport
>>>>>>>>>>> Angle Inlet
>>>>>>>>>>> International Falls, MN - Fort
>> Frances,
>>>> ON
>>>>>>>>>>> Windsor, ON - Detroit, MI
>>>>>>>>>>> Niagara Falls
>>>>>>>>>>> The intersection of Douglas &
>> Murray in
>>>> Fort
>>>>>>>> Erie,
>>>>>>>>>>> ON (though for
>>>>>>>>>>> personal reasons!)
>>>>>>>>>>> Akwesasne Reserve
>>>>>>>>>>> The Border Bar (Fort Covington, NY
>> -
>>>> Dundee,
>>>>>>>> QC)
>>>>>>>>>>> The Border Golf Course (ME-NB)
>>>>>>>>>>> And Campobello Island (ME-NB)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2 weeks for this one!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 06:27
>> AM,
>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>> Hering
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just added a picture to the
>> photo
>>>> section
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> BP:
>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in Ft. Covington - border
>>>> Québec/NY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be nice to have a real
>>>> party
>>>>>>>> here??
>>>>>>>>>>>> Playing billiards - one leg in
>> each
>>>> country,
>>>>>>>>>>> drinking bourbon in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the US, while smoking a nice cigar
>> in
>>>>>>>> Canada...!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> well, just say when - I'll be
>> there!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> all yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> MafiapeteDk
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hering
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> de bedste hilsener
>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> mit freundlichen Grüssen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <image.tiff>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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