Someone else will have go do any enshrining. I trashed the scan after sending
it. I have the atlas, after all.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:07 AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ozark county govt just yells up from the next
holler
> nice points & nicely pointed out
> & fashionably late arriving in my mailbox too
>
> er
> dont you think this oral de jure yell you have so clearly
> demonstrated should be enshrined in our photos section too
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > Attached is a scan of the area in question from THE ROADS
> OF ARKANSAS atlas.
> >
> > I have added two yellow arrows (at lower left and upper right) to
> indicate the
> > points where the wandering de jure boundary and the stepped
> de facto boundary
> > diverge at each end. Note the three instances of red text that
> identify the
> > stepped boundary as "County line as agreed upon for tax
> collection purposes."
> > The grid is composed of section lines, one mile apart.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:58 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ozark county govt just yells up
> from the next
> > holler
> >
> >
> > > ahh right you are of course
> > > for this to have been at all remarkable the government had to
> yell
> > > up from the next holler over
> > > & not from the same holler at all
> > > & i am very glad & grateful someone is even paying attention
> too
> > > but despite having my lines crossed or especially because of
> it
> > > i am all the more titillated to think of this handshake line as
> oral
> > > de jure
> > >
> > > it would be nice to know exactly how long it has been this way
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> McManus"
> > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > If I understand you correctly, I think that you have the lines
> > > reversed. The
> > > > stepped boundary is the oral de facto line, while the de jure
> > > line wanders
> > > > through the mountains to the northwest. As the newspaper
> > > article puts it: "The
> > > > mountain ridges that form the legal boundary are just
> > > northwest of the accepted
> > > > Yell-Logan county line that appears on current state maps
> as a
> > > jagged series of
> > > > steps." The stepped boundary shown on the topo maps is
> the
> > > accepted de facto
> > > > boundary.
> > > >
> > > > I have an atlas called THE ROADS OF ARKANSAS from
> > > Shearer Publishing. It
> > > > depicts the entire state at a scale of one-half inch to the
> mile. It
> > > shows both
> > > > boundaries. The wandering boundary to the northwest is
> > > unlabeled, but the
> > > > stepped one to the southeast has notes in three paces that
> > > say "County line as
> > > > agreed upon for tax collection purposes." I have been
> through
> > > the area on
> > > > Arkansas 309, and the highway county-line signs are on
> the
> > > stepped agreed-upon
> > > > boundary.
> > > >
> > > > I'll try to scan and post part of the map, if I can make the file
> > > small enough
> > > > and still retain legibility.
> > > >
> > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "m donner" <maxivan82@h...>
> > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:58 AM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] ozark county govt just yells up
> from
> > > the next holler
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > talk about no government
> > > > > in the news today
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.nwanews.com/adg/story_National.php?storyid=3988
> > > 4
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=3896587&e=454697&s=
> > > 1000&layer=DRG250&size=l&u=0
> > > > > shows the general location of the mentioned de jure
> logan
> > > yell county line
> > > > > between its tripoints with pope & scott counties at upper
> right
> > > & lower left
> > > > > respectively
> > > > > see i showed & even mentioned them
> > > > > but the specific location of all the fun is at center including
> the
> > > place
> > > > > named crossroads
> > > > > where the letter f in ozark national forest is just west of
> the
> > > written de
> > > > > jure boundary between logan & yell counties as depicted
> > > > > but east of the orally agreed & long established de facto
> > > boundary along the
> > > > > ridge line mentioned in the article
> > > > >
> > > > > the area of overlapping or nongovernment can be seen
> up
> > > close here
> > > > > between the huckleberry mountain watershed divide
> running
> > > from lower left to
> > > > > upper right
> > > > > & the county line as depicted at some remove from it at
> lower
> > > right
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=3896587&e=454697&s=
> > > 100&layer=DRG25&size=l&u=0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > but here is a question
> > > > >
> > > > > since an oral agreement is just as real & binding as a
> written
> > > one
> > > > > then isnt this supposedly de facto line really just as de
> jure
> > > as the
> > > > > written one
> > > > >
> > > > > & being more recent than the written one yet still in long
> use
> > > > > doesnt the oral line actually trump & supplant the written
> one
> > > in this
> > > > > unusual case
> > > > >
> > > > > & of course now that this so called anomaly has come to
> > > light
> > > > > they will probably amend the state constitution & the
> county
> > > charters
> > > > > posthaste
> > > > > to properly reflect reality
> > > > > but in the meantime arent we really looking here at a
> > > preciously rare if not
> > > > > unique case of an oral de jure boundary
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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