doug
you may never read this
nor ever have needed it
since this time we are guessing your locals will actually know
haha
old hat stuff like
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrieBelize/message/75 &
http://www.belize-guatemala.gov.bz/press_releases/proposals/p
roposal_facilitator.html
& will bike you right up to one or both monuments
for a class a or even class aa visit
but just in case
here is the latest revised nutshell view from here
overriding all previous nuts
so just skip them in case you havent already
> > > But: I have found out information from the local Mennonite
> > community
> > > that there is a marker there of some kind (I remain
skeptical)
> >
> > good
> > there are actually 2 known markers there
> >
> > the formerly but wrongly presumptive one
> > known as the vertice de aguas turbias
> > is probably 190 to 205 meters due west of the new one
> > & is actually now considered the first border marker on gtmx
> >
> > & this newly presumptive one
> > which has already been acknowledged by all 3 countries
> > but awaits long overdue ratifications in an uncertain process
> > gives guatemala the extra sliver all agree she deserves
> >
> > neither one has ever been the legal tripoint tho
> >
> > so if or when in doubt
> > i was going to say this is another case of
> > 1 plus 1 equals 1
> > but i think it is rather more like
> > 0 plus 0 equals 1
> > under the circumstances
> > yet with the same basic idea of covering both bets
> >
> > there may even be a path thru the jungle connecting them
> > but that is only my guess
> both markers are more or less exactly at north lat 17 deg 49
min
>
> the old marker
> is at west long 89 deg 09 min 06 sec & 749 thousandths
> datum presumably nad27
> per united states state dept in ibs number 159
>
> & the new marker
> is at west long 89 deg 09 min 00 sec & 283 thousandths
> datum unknown
> per belizean concession above & joint resurvey made in 2001
>
> if these longitudes are expressed in the same datum
> then the distance between them would be 190 meters
>
> but just in case they are slightly at odds with each other
> i can corroborate that the 55 mile long sliver
> containing roughly 3 & a half square miles of territory
> as indicated by the same belizean source
> would have to have a closing leg of very roughly 205 meters
>
> so the best guesses range from 190 to 205 meters apart
> with 190 the much more likely one
>
> so if the first marker you find is old
> just take about 200 giant steps due east to find the new one
>
> & if the first marker you find is new
> just take these 200 giant steps due west to find the old one
>
> vis tecum