ahaha
so goody & gum drops upon it
also i have learned the exact length of the rock is 48 inches
per bus&ss under louisiana
tho perhaps only 15 or 18 inches of it was visible at last visit
so fortunately we wont have to dig it up to measure it
& now that we know its full length
the angle of the dilapidation if any will determine the minimum &
most probable displacement of either the apex or the base
or technically such an angle would determine only the minimum
possible rotational displacement of both the apex & the base as
averaged about the midsection
however it seems likely that no part of the rock should ever have
been attracted back toward the tree trunk but that all of it should
have been repulsed by the tree
& if not uniformly so then at least fairly consistently along its full
length
& the bearing of the dilapidation should be a fairly good indicator
of the general direction of the overall displacement
so it seems there is good reason to believe we could nail the
original tripoint position just from these 2 careful readings
the angle off the vertical
& the compass bearing of the tilt
or we could certainly get a more nearly correct position than the
marker presently occupies & indicates if indeed it is tilting
but i believe these 2 data comprise the limit of what we can hope
to reconstruct of the 108 year history of the rock
without resorting to dendrochronology
which happily should only be needed if the rock is severely atilt
& which i doubt
for i imagine we are probably talking millimeters of verifiable
displacement here rather than anything so huge as inches
& i am guessing that the bigger news than any appreciable
displacement of the rock would be the continuing growth of the
tree about it
& the reduction in size of its visible portion
but of course to learn anything for sure here
we might need to take accurate measurements not just once but
over a period of some years
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> Whenever I go, I will remember to take measurement tools as
you suggest. As I
> recall, the tree is a sweet gum (Liquidamber styraciflua),
perhaps the sappiest
> of trees!
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:45 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on LATX bi-state building
>
>
> well our persimmons & papaws are no sappier than our latex
> but unless our rock of arlatx has itself begun to stretch or lean
at
> all in any direction from off of the true vertical
> then i am inclined to believe the tree has so far merely grown &
> stretched itself around the rock rather than displaced it at all
> because it is hard to imagine a tree being so careful or lucky
as
> to produce a perfectly even biaxial displacement of the rock
> all along its full depth & height of probably 4 or 5 feet
>
> so i wish you would get an extra careful reading on it
> say with a square & level & protractor unless you have better
stuff
> & i will certainly be looking forward to your visit
> while trying to figure out how to calculate the horizontal
> displacement of its apex from the angle of its dilapidation
> so as to work our way back into the tree to the original & true
> tripoint position if necessary
>
> & perhaps it will yet prove to be our first truly sappy tripoint
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > Oh yes, I've heard those sappy, romanticized fairy tales about
> those [sometimes
> > blond!] Indian princes, but I tend to reach for my wallet
> whenever I do. Don't
> > believe it!
> >
> > As for the arlatx trifinium, I haven't been there in many years;
> but even then
> > it seemed to me that the monument had been displaced
> southward by the growing
> > tree, and that the actual junction of the boundaries was
> perhaps within the
> > tree's trunk. I hope to be up that way by some time this fall,
and
> I will
> > render a full report with photography.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "m06079" <barbaria_longa@h...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:04 AM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on LATX bi-state building
> >
> >
> > for a report of a latx based paleodoches
> > & a sense of the full latx based multidoches stretch
> > please see
> > http://members.tripod.com/~MWerb_2/CC020301.htm
> > about a third of the way down
> > beginning with nacogdoches in boldface
> >
> > also in the neighborhood tho
> > for anyone who doesnt want to stretch our multipointing
theme
> > is our remarkable latex arlatx tristate point
> > whose monument looks like it is being slowly devoured by a
> tree
> > tho not an actual rubber tree
> > when i compare jacks 1991 shot of it with my own circa 1998
> >
> > so
> > since i have been meaning to ask anyway
> > & without necessarily stretching or changing anything
> > have you or anyone else happened to look in on this baby
lately
> > & how much of the rock if any is still exposed to the light of
day
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > It was asked:
> > >
> > > > is it true that latex was invented on this state line
> > > > or was that a stretch
> > > >
> > > > say for just anything comfortably between
> > > > oh say
> > > > natchitoches & nacogdoches
> > > >
> > > > & is it true these are just 2 differently mangled versions of
a
> > > > single fabulous precolonial indian town
> > > > actually located perhaps somewhere in between them
> > >
> > > Answer to first question: No. That was a stretch!
> > >
> > > Answer to second question: Maybe. The two towns, 108
> miles
> > apart, have much in
> > > common.
> > >
> > > Natchitoches is the oldest existing European settlement in
> the
> > Louisiana
> > > Purchase. It was founded in 1714 by the Frenchman Louis
> > Juchereau de St. Denis
> > > as the Poste St. Jean Baptiste des Natchitoches. The
name
> > was either the name
> > > of the local Indians or a place name used by the local
> Indians,
> > who were of
> > > Caddoan stock.
> > >
> > > Nacogdoches is the oldest existing European settlement in
> > Texas. It was founded
> > > in 1716 by the Spaniard Domingo Ramón as the Misión de
> > Nuestra Señora de
> > > Guadalupe de los Nacogdoches. The name was that of
the
> > local Indians, who were
> > > of Caddoan stock.
> > >
> > > The Frenchman St. Denis shuttled back and forth between
> the
> > French and Spanish
> > > colonies and between the employ of the French and
Spanish
> > governments. In
> > > reality, he was operating trade for his private benefit. St.
> Denis
> > was closely
> > > associated with the Ramón family, and his wife was either
a
> > step niece or half
> > > niece to Domingo Ramón. St. Denis was present at
> Ramón's
> > founding of
> > > Nacogdoches, two years after he had, himself, founded
> > Natchitoches.
> > >
> > > So, if the two names are related, it is probably through the
> > linguistic
> > > similarity of the various local bands of Caddoan Indians.
> > >
> > > I know that this has little to do with boundaries (except on
> deep
> > historical
> > > background), but you asked.
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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