hahahahahahehehehehu
The only person in this forum that likes to
complicate matters more than neccessary must be the utterly Mr
Donner.
If I take a leek on the ground ofcourse this
running water will have a deepest channel. That makes sence.
But what does not make sense to me, is for two
countries divided by a small creek, not used for any navigation to choose the
deepest channel of this creek as their common border. Choosing the middle line
would make much more sense.
Jesper
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:36
PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eelvru -
> thalweg
jesper
a thalweg has nothing to do with the size of a
stream
& is not arbitrary nor any mere matter of opinion
but is a
fact of physics & of natural geography
exactly in the same way as a
watershed or ridge line is a fact
regardless of the elevation or mass of
the heights it divides
or plainer still
a thalweg is just the
absolute bottom line of a valley
regardless of the dimensions of that
valley or of its water flow
so why complicate this utterly simple
reality with interpretations
rationalizations exceptions excuses
etc
& if you are still with me here
for purposes of any
earnestly punctilious try
a thalweg junction tripoint is far from an
occasion for shrugging
ones shoulders or throwing up ones hands
but is
actually just as flagrantly obvious & real
& just as much an
occasion for dancing
as a summit tripoint
indeed
think of it as
a summit tripoint in reverse & you cant miss it
you know
as in
highpointing or lowpointing
only wetter
also a thalweg is
definitely not an effect of navigation
on the contrary
navigation if
any seeks & follows the thalweg
there doesnt need to be
navigability for there to be a thalweg
there only needs to be running
water
in this regard the definition quoted from gideons bible below is
incomplete & misleading
& i am just as sure as you are
of the opposite
that if the treaties specify the thalwegs
as they
usually do in europe & most probably do in these cases
then the
thalwegs are the boundary lines
& the thalweg junctions mark the
tripoints
so maybe we should look for the treaties before settling
this
but as for how to know where the thalweg is
if you still cant tell
from the above description
or jans fantastic picture of you pointing
straight at a tri thalweg
please see also my recent answer to jan when he
first asked
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...> wrote:
> I would think using the
thalweg-principle is only for wide rivers
where navigation is possible and
normal. Probably more often
outside Europe where small rivers would be
used for navigation
as well. This makes navigation possible for both
countries.
>
> For smaller water courses I am sure the middle
line is the
general rule.
>
> And how to know where the
thalweg is? I guess people
navigation know. Otherwise onless the countries
have problems
with one another it's not an issue untill something happens.
Just
like land borders with poor demarcation: Nobody really cares
(only freaks) untill it is necessary to find out, with the help of
surveyors etc.
>
> Jesper
>
>
>
> > THALWEG
> > 1. «A German term, literally
"downstream," with reference to
> river
> > navigation. Here
referring to the deepest channel in a river,
> genereally the
>
> most suitable channel for navigation at the normal lowest
> water
level.»
> > (Biger, p. 522)
> >
> > (How to find
the deepest channel in a 5 metre broad river?!?)
>
>
>
>
>
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