beautiful post pal
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BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Arif Samad
<fHoiberg@y...> wrote:
> You know what a polygon with infinite side is? It's a
> circle. And circles have a measurable perimeter, the
> circumference. My point? Don't automatically assume
> that fractal geometry produces an infinite length. I
> am not committing to either an infinite or finite
> length as both could be easily argued, though I tend
> to support the finite length side more. I don't think
> it could be argued that Ellis Island is a fractal
> boundary, however.
correct
it has been legally defined as what i would call
a true follow the dots dance
with some 60 or 80 or 180 points
i forget which but no matter
the more the merrier up to the point of physical exhaustion
i would say
in case it proves exciting
& i would love to actually do just that with a tape measure
for upon this dance
between njny ellis & west kytn & me or us
apparently hangs the title of
shortest state line in the usa
i only say apparently because even after doing a true dance here
we will still have to hear from people like kevin claiming a further
candidacy
namely for the njny liberty island fractal boundary
yikes
if measured sensibly
or in other words by means of a faux follow the dots dance
presumably along its shortest possible perimeter
viz along its longest possible coastal base lines
as well as from people like brian claiming none of the above
& no dance at all
but a tie between azco & nmut
so i dont know if you could get as excited about that as i am
but maybe this is the moment we have been waiting for to meet
it might be a peach of a try
pchbe
the petit central hudson boundary expedition
asher has already called the game
but there might be dozens of other members too who would ride
the ferries with us when the moon is ready
what say
more below
> I tend to take the Ellis Island boundary as a true
> state boundary. First of all, even if a previous
> treaty existed, I feel the current situation does not
> show anything other than a true state boundary. The
> supreme court would not make a judgement on the
> subject if it was only a jurisdictional boundary and
> not a true boundary. Besides, there are quite a few
> official maps, though not the USGS topographical maps,
> that identifies the boundaries as state, so why
> shouldn't we? Secondly, we should not automatically
> assume that a separate mention of Ellis Island
> jurisdiction in an old treaty means a non-state
> boundary. A separate mention was needed because Ellis
> Island was beyond the original main boundary. We
> don't know the motivation of the original writers, but
> the separate mention can easily be an indication that
> Ellis Island is a true enclave, though the wording is
> different from the rest of the boundary. Thirdly, we
> have tended to take for a fact what is the easiest
> practical solution to a somewhat convoluted idea of
> law.
all excellent thoughts
& i just want to generalize & punctuate that last idea with a line of
exclamation points
> Andorra is assumed to be a separate country,
> though one of its leaders is the French President.
> All dominions in british commonwealth are thought to
> be countries and not protectorates though their leader
> is the Queen. We have assumed boundaries between the
> Germanys though they were only a zone divider. Do you
> ever hear anybody saying that the MANY border is not a
> state border as Massachusetts is actually a
> commonwealth? No. So, instead of hiding behind
> obscure terms, let's just deal with the fact that for
> all intents and purposes especially taxes, Ellis
> Island and Liberty Island is in New York and a border
> exists. To not think of the two Islands as part of
> New York is about as much splitting hairs as arguing
> for infinite length of boundaries. It is completely
> different from Guantanamo Bay as a lease exists there.
> Even Honk Kong was generally assumed to have a
> boundary with China even though much of it was leases
> and I have heard of no leases in Ellis Island.
> Arif
>
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