6 tripoints! nice...who wants to drop some bouys off
the coast of Greenland!?

--- acroorca2002 <orc@...> wrote:

> thanx mike
> i am way over my head here as usual
> & i think there might well have been a break or
> breaks in frgb
> within the straits of dover
> as you say
> given only the irregular shapes of the opposing
> coastlines
> & the equidistance principle
>
> however
> the straight coastal baselines from which
> territorial seas are
> measured bypass the irregularities of the coasts
> themselves
> much as some of our recent oktx rationalizations
> bypassed the
> irregularities of the right bank of the red river
> except that in the present case the shortcuts are
> legally specified
> rather than just a subjective invention
>
> & then on top of this first simplification
> the outer limits of the territorial seas tend to be
> further
> streamlined
> since they dont just follow & mimic the straight
> baselines by
> means of a simple offset at a fixed distance
> as one might suppose
> but they are actually projected in arcs of fixed
> radius from every
> possible cape &or islet etc
> so that they tend to form complex french curves
> rather than
> simply reiterating the zigzags of the coastal
> baselines
>
> this 2stage rationalization tends to average &
> soften & round
> everything off twice
> making the kind of disjunction you envision seem all
> the more
> unlikely to occur at any single short narrowing to
> under 24nm
> such as apparently obtains at dover straits
>
> but i think you will find a perfect example of what
> you are talking
> about in the cadk territorial sea boundary that runs
> intermittently
> between greenland & ellesmere island canada
> from smith bay to lincoln sea
>
> there
> proceeding north
> you enter smith sound
> a first narrows of under 24nm
>
> then you emerge into kane basin
> which is much wider than 24nm
> & thus includes a pocket of everyones water
>
> then you enter kennedy channel
> a second narrows of under 24nm
>
> next you emerge into hall basin
> which is again much wider than 24nm
> & thus includes another spot of everyones water
>
> & then you enter robeson channel
> a third narrows of under 24nm
> before finally emerging into the lincoln sea &
> arctic ocean
>
> so i believe you have there 3 disconnected sectors
> of the cadk
> territorial sea boundary
> each of them terminating in 2 tripoints with
> everyones water
> just as you describe below
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > Nice and thanks for the info. Given the irregular
> > shape of shorelines, there might even be more than
> one
> > FRGB border segment. For instance - the distance
> > between the coastal baseline might be 23 nm at the
> > chunnel area; then moving west it might be 24.1
> nm,
> > then further west and back to 23.9 nm, etc, even
> if
> > for short distances. I suppose this could cause
> many
> > tripoints of France, G.Britain, and everyone's
> water.
> > Too bad they are not marked.
> >
> > --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > by international law the territorial waters of
> > > countries may extend
> > > no farther than 12nm seaward from their coastal
> > > baselines
> > > which are the straight lines connecting the most
> > > seaward
> > > projections of their coasts &or offshore islands
> > >
> > > but there are many exceptional cases involving
> > > underclaims
> > > such as of 3nm or 6nm or 9nm etc
> > > depending on various factors
> > > like the desire of greece not to provoke turkey
> > > etc etc
> > > & there are a few exceptional cases of
> overclaims
> > > like canada & russia claiming all the way to the
> > > north pole
> > >
> > > but normally only normal claims & underclaims
> are
> > > generally
> > > recognized
> > >
> > > also there are cases of negotiated & adjudicated
> > > asymmetries
> > >
> > > but the general rule & the default reality is as
> you
> > > say 12nm
> > >
> > > in the case of the straits of dover
> > > as you also anticipate
> > > there must be a short reach of waters extending
> > > across the
> > > chunnel where the distance between the french &
> > > british coastal
> > > baselines is less than 24nm apart
> > > & this would produce a real frgb territorial
> waters
> > > boundary line
> > > based on equidistance if nothing else
> > > without there being any intervening everyones
> waters
> > >
> > > not only in that specific location but for
> several
> > > miles in both
> > > directions along the narrowest passage
> > >
> > > & it is presumably just such a line that is
> marked
> > > within the
> > > chunnel
> > >
> > > & since it is marked
> > > it must first have been delimited
> > > deliberately & exactly
> > > as well as explicitly agreed to
> > >
> > > so i would expect a treaty to this effect could
> be
> > > found
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > Ok, I have a general quetion. How far do
> > > territorial
> > > > waters extend? From my memory it was 12,
> wasn't
> > > it?
> > > > But I don't remember and couldn't find it in
> the
> > > > archives (I know I've seen it many times but
> > > couldn't
> > > > find it) so that is why I ask.
> > > >
> > > > If this is the case, and the underwater
> portion of
> > > the
> > > > Chunnel is 23 miles long, then I guess it
> could
> > > only
> > > > have been 1 mile longer before you had
> [everyone's
> > > > land]/FR and [ev. land]/GB borders. But do
> you
> > > think
> > > > they even knew about this? Can we be certain
> the
> > > FRGB
> > > > is really on the border - is there a treay?
> > > >
> > > > -Mike K.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "Jesper
> > > > > Nielsen"
> > > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

http://www.kittyempire.org/Detroit0300/tunnelflags.jpg

> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

http://www.windsorpubliclibrary.com/images/Museum/riversedge

> > > > > .jpg
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

http://www.tecsoc.org/pubs/history/pics/hollandtunnel.jpg

> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.youmustknow.com/graphics/pics/oct82.jpg
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

http://www.actorsplayhouse.org/readingoctober2002.htm

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