For me there are official pene enclaves like Point
Roberts, Jungholz, Klein Walsertal etc. Inhabited settlements only practically
accesible through foreign territory.
Point Roberts might have a ferry connection, so...
But still you cannot just go there when you want, you have to line of for the
boat I guess.
And then there are these great unimportant pene
enclaves, which I like a lot, like the Haparanda one. Or the long lines of
Belgium houses in a German street in the BEDE border town of Liechentenbusch.
They all have to go abroad to leave their properties, or to go to the Belgium
bakery in the German street.
Attached a scan of a tiny Belgian pene exclave only
a few meters from BEDELU. The Belgian farmer has made this saliant into
Luxembourg so that his cattle can reach the small border creek for water.
Comming from LU the best practical way to enter the small sailent is going to BE
first.
Jesper
Oh Jan, enclaves or exclaves. I forget sometimes to
call them by their proper names. I belive in Rolf's definition. Llivia is a
Spanish exclave and a French enclave. I think the media always gets this wrong.
Kaliningrad has been in the news alot recently, and is always referred to as the
"Russian enclave Kaliningrad". One thing is that they call in an enclave, but a
Russian enclave would be forreign land INSIDE Russia
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:41
PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swedish
exclave in Haparanda?
jan & jesper
of course you can call things anything
you want
& pene simply means
or used to mean
nearly or
almost or not quite
in the original latin
so naturally enough
anything anyone has ever thought of as
somewhat clavelike yet failing to
qualify as a true clave
in any number of aspects they may have had in mind
has attracted this catchall copout prefix of pene
but perhaps a
greater cause of such indifference is that even the
oft cited clave
authorities use pene in their books to mean
various things
while they
sometimes overlap it with other qualifiers such as
virtual & quasi to
mean the same &or different things
judging from various reports we have
had
as a result we have now seen a number of intrinsically different
types of things that have all been called by this single modifier
pene
by various people here at different times
these things
include
international tongues of land
proruptions reachable via the
neck
proruptions unreachable via the neck
truly near misses like
jungholz
any other seemingly or practically isolated
areas
etc
but the result is of course more confusion than
precision
anyone who cares not to mix apples & oranges
indiscriminately
will take some care about what they are describing
here
fruit salad lovers will be happy to call it all fruit
no
problem either way
it is just nice to know what people mean if
anything
also
i only see 1 international island so far on your
map
but none of these things really matter very much imo
unless they
matter to you
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh"
<jan.krogh@t...> wrote:
> Thanks for the comments! Of course
they are on two
international islands!
> Yesterday night I was
tired, now it is morning and is SO clear...
> Let's call it pene
enclaves, as Jesper suggests!
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: acroorca2002 <orc@o...>
[mailto:orc@o...]
> Sent: 2. januar 2003
07:05
> To:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
>
>
> per your
query above
> i believe none of these are really claves by
any exacting
definition
> tho one does look like a true
international island
> & all the rest are probably
authentic international tongues of
land
>
>
>
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