Subject: Re: SPM, coastal boundaries<br/>
Date: Dec 14, 2002 @ 13:25<br/>
Author: acroorca2002 &lt;orc@orcoast.com&gt; (&quot;acroorca2002 &lt;orc@...&gt;&quot; &lt;orc@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-338731749">--- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, asdff sssdfddt <br/>
&lt;kbajoraz@y...&gt; wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; after all <br/>
&gt; &gt; the islands nicked by turnpoints 4 & 5 also promise to give <br/>
 </span></blockquote>us at <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; &gt; least 2 cafrnf tripoints<br/>
&gt; &gt; where dry newfound land meets both the french & canadian <br/>
&gt; &gt; waters<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; wouldn&#39;t the waters off of dry Newfoundland land be <br/>
 </span></blockquote>Newfoundland waters? :)<br/>
<br/>
not at all<br/>
<br/>
the territory of canadian provinces & federal territories ends at <br/>
the low tide line<br/>
or rather at the baselines wherever these extend beyond low tide<br/>
<br/>
unlike those of the usa or oz<br/>
all canadian territorial waters beyond the baselines are federal <br/>
without reservation or exception<br/>
& none are provincial<br/>
<br/>
thus all offshore islands must get allocated one way or another <br/>
<br/>
for a particularly wacky example <br/>
all islands in hudson bay belong to nunavut<br/>
even all the way south into james bay<br/>
tho hudson bay itself belongs not to nunavut but to canada as a <br/>
whole<br/>
<br/>
another oddity<br/>
the iles de la madeleine in the gulf of st lawrence are qc <br/>
tho they are closer to pei & nb & nf & ns<br/>
while the gulf of st lawrence is purely canadian federal waters<br/>
<br/>
the putative cafrnf tripoints mentioned above are a result of this <br/>
canadian federal waters regime<br/>
<br/>
it is true there was recently an agreement between nb & nf that <br/>
allocates resources in the waters & seabed between them to <br/>
one province or the other<br/>
but not the waters themselves & not the maritime territory itself<br/>
<br/>
this is a new wrinkle in canadian law<br/>
& i suppose it is comparable to a domestic eez boundary <br/>
but is not really a provincial or interprovincial maritime boundary<br/>
for there are none of these<br/>
 <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; but anyway, if the border actually follows the coastline, wouldn&#39;t <br/>
 </span></blockquote>it be a first in the world, where island coast is the border? (and <br/>
any coastal borders seems quite interesting to me, what such <br/>
do we know of?)<br/>
<br/>
it does but it is not the first<br/>
<br/>
besides the above examples & all other canadian offshore <br/>
islands<br/>
i believe there are quite a few other countries that do things like <br/>
this<br/>
<br/>
mexico & new zealand even reserve a narrow strip of federal <br/>
beach above & beyond all the federal waters<br/>
<br/>
i believe the usa & oz are exceptional in allocating portions of <br/>
their maritime territories to the states</div>