Subject: Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
Date: Nov 25, 2002 @ 06:28
Author: Victor ("Victor" <drpotatoes@...>)
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>>>http://www.dcdar.org/boundary_stones_loc.htmhow did dc get arlington county, va? on topozone, etc. DC is
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> len i think the only thing that might be problematic here is the
> ignorance & pretentiousness of the writer
> & ultimately his confusion of boundary markers with road signs
>
> for to begin with
> there are in fact at least a couple dozen milestones several feet
> tall all along the dc boundary
>
> these actually produce a far greater frequency of primary
> monumentation than most state boundaries could boast
> contrary to his stated belief
>
> the date of them all is 1792
>
> for their general locations see
> http://www.dcdar.org/boundary_stones_loc.htm
> but note that the nw stones are numbered incorrectly on the map
> tho not on the verbal descriptions of them beneath it
>
> all the numbering sequences actually run clockwise
>
> then you may want to check terraserver or topozone etc for their
> precise positions
> all of which do show up quite clearly on the usgs topos
> if you are interested in any of these
>
> the mentioned wisconsin avenue crossing falls roughly halfway
> between milestones nw6 & nw7
> so no wonder that neither the questioner nor the answerer
> spotted or mentioned these biggies
>
>
> but there are in addition the much lower stones at all major road
> crossings & other prominent points
> of the type such as the questioner at least evidently did observe
>
> however
> being usually less than a foot tall
> these are easy to miss even when you pass right by them
> & the answerer evidently does miss them all the time
> assuming they havent been knocked down by traffic etc
>
> the date of all these low ones is 1903
> per bus&ss 1976
> tho i suppose there could also be some more recent ones
>
>
> & all that stuff about the road signs is of course irrelevant to
the
> topic that both the questioner & answerer began with
> but merely some gratuitous association piled on top of it
>
> however
> just to answer that supposedly still more troubling question too
> as everyone knows
> road signs are often not only unhelpful but even downright
> misleading
> for ordinary navigational purposes
> not to mention trypointing
>
> when that sign was erected
> it may have truly indicated the best way to get thru dc & on to
> richmond
> or it may not have
> but no problem either way
>
>
> incidentally
> but more pointedly
> i just realized there is probably 1 extra dc boundary marker not in
> either of the above categories
> situated at the tripoint with montgomery & prince georges
> counties of md
>
> & of the more obvious tripoints
> dcmdvas is an unmarked wetpoint in the potomac
> & the dcmdvan marker on the right bank has never been found
> if indeed it still exists at all
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > This appeared today in "DCWatch":
> >
> > Boundary Markers
> > David Sobelsohn, dsobelso-at-capaccess-dot-org
> >
> > In last Wednesday's issue of themail, John Cleave asked
> about a DC/MD
> > boundary marker at Wisconsin and Western Avenues, NW.
> Tellingly, he
> > thinks the marker went up before 1928, perhaps much earlier.
> My sense
> > is that, unlike most states, DC has few markers, even on major
> roads,
> > to indicate that a motorist is entering the District (let alone
> signs
> > saying "Welcome to Washington"). A striking example is where
> US-50
> > crosses the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, US-50 becoming
> New York
> > Avenue and the BWP becoming Kenilworth Avenue. The sign
> for New York
> > Ave. says "To Washington." The sign for Kenilworth Ave. says
> "To
> > Richmond" even though a driver taking either route will enter
> DC at
> > pretty much the same time, and even though a driver taking the
> > Kenilworth Ave. route will go clear across both SE and SW DC
> before
> > getting to Virginia (let alone Richmond). Neither route actually
> has a
> > sign indicating that the car has entered DC. I had to study a
> map
> > before realizing that taking Kenilworth Ave. would also get me
> into
> > DC. So my questions to themail subscribers are: where else,
> besides
> > Wisconsin and Western Avenues, NW, are there actual
> boundary markers
> > at the DC/MD border; are any of recent vintage; and are any
> visible to
> > motorists?
> >
> > Another, perhaps more troubling question: why does the sign
> on a road
> > going into SE and SW DC say "To Richmond" but not "To
> Washington"?