Ya - it IS 649A. I noticed that mistake seconds after posting, but
thought I'd see if someone would figure it out :D
649B is on the other side (west) of the road, at the end of the fence
near the US Customs facility. It's close enough to the road, that
it's likely been hit by some drivers headed south...
And about VTNYQC - my wife's the B.Sc. in environmental planning, I'm
just an amateur - I *very* likely gave you NAD83 numbers, since
they're GPS-compatible (which I reckon is based on NAD83?). This may
partially explain the violent difference in longitude between our
numbers, and does explain why it generated a point apparently north
of the markers.
using NADCON on NGS's site to convert to NAD27, the numbers would end
up N 45d00m38s84743 W 73d20m36s82541, which still appears too far
north -- although that location isn't obscenely off as to be north of
both markers (whether you use NAD27 or NAD83 numbers vs. IBC's).
I agree that your averaging is probably a fair indication, since the
VTNY border seems to run very close to the middle of the two
markers. I'm hoping for on-site visuals to be of some help as well.
All of this, of course, still assumes that the river will freeze.
The tripoint will be what I make it to be, dammit! :D
Now, we were discussing donuts, I believe...
--Jay Di Battista
Plattsburgh, NY
WPTZ-TV
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., J Di Battista <meridien24@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey - I'm posting via e-mail for the first time. Sorry to all if
this
> doesn't work. I figure this is the best way to ship an attachment
> along. And maybe a hyperlink.
> >
> > On the topic of VTNYQC -- Here's what I gathered from ArcView
> and MS Streets - as you said tho, it goes off USGS topo, but it
> appears (from here anyway) to be valid
> >
> > 45.01083 N
> > 73.34314 W
> >
> > which converts to (I think)
> > N 45d00m38s9880 W 73d20m35s3040
> >
> > Any thoughts?
>
> congrats
> everything works great
> & i agree with your conversions
>
> if these are nad27 as i assume
> then you are very close to
> yet even farther north than
> the usgs book position you wanted to dismiss yesterday
> for being too far north
> namely
> n45d00m38s9 x w73d20m38s9
>
> such closeness of latitude at least suggests a common source
> but as you can see by further comparison
> you are also 3 or 4 seconds east of the book position
> amounting to a few hundred feet
> which is quite a lot of difference relative to 10 foot circle
targeting
>
> this big difference of longitude & small difference of latitude
> were striking & puzzling enough for me to recheck everything
> & tho both my transcription & my conversion are indeed correct
> i was finally led to notice the peculiarly identical 38s9 endings
> in both the latitude & longitude figures above from the book
>
> & such an improbable but exact repetition
> strongly suggests to me a transcription error
> presumably made by the author of the book
> but not by the mapmaker
> who may well have been working from the same source data
> aha
>
> so i think your topo generated coords are very probably more
> reliable than my book generated ones
>
> yet still after all that
> both these sets of coords
> whatever the cause of their great difference in longitude
> remain too far north
> as you have already noted
> so i think you would be right to dismiss them both equally
> in favor of simply averaging the more credible ibc coords
> as suggested & done in message 7873
>
> > Anyway. On my way to Montreal, I snapped this picture of
> NY276, a
> > road which follows the border a few feet on the US side.
> Marker 649B is visible.
>
> nice shot
> you tv guys do border roads well
>
> but unless there has been new road construction in the area
> your map suggests the marker in the pic might be 649a instead
> & that you might be standing very near the position of 649b
> itself possibly no longer standing or no longer visible
>
> a gps reading on the monument in the pic could resolve this
>
> authoritative coords for these & the other monuments discussed
> above are at
> http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/coordinates/J4
> 5thp.txt