The boat ramp looks like a good fall-back in case the fort is
inaccessible. I think I confused Fort Montgomery with Fort Montgomery
State Park, whick is in Ft. Montgomery, NY, so I assumed there was
relatively easy public access to the fort. The Vermont approach near
monument 644 is a few meters closer to the tri-point than the fort and
it might be interesting to check out some of the peculiar boundary
phenomena on that side.
BJB
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Meridien24" <meridien24@y...> wrote:
> You have to make sure you copy and paste the whole URL into the
> Address field - you can't just click on it... the question mark in
> the URL seems to confuse the system.
>
> Here it is again -- maybe turning message wrap off will help. Maybe.
>
> http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?
> t=2&s=12&x=788&y=6230&z=18&w=2
>
> ...or would someone know a way around this? It doesn't look like
> posting it as a HTML hyperlink works, either.
>
> The boat drop is only a few meters east of the "toll bridge", on the
> sandbar. The aerial shows it nicely.
>
> --J
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> > What tripoint map? What sandbar? And what boat drop?
> > BJB
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Meridien24" <meridien24@y...> wrote:
> > > TopoZone seems to have the border misplaced!... Ft Montgomery
> isn't
> > > even there! Weird. Maptech's server must be down, I keep
> getting
> > > 404's... I'll use TerraServer for today.
> > >
> > > One of the television directors here is a lifelong resident of
> NY's
> > > North Country - he tells me that Ft. Montgomery was bought by the
> > > president of a nearby pharmaceutical plant to turn into his
> personal
> > > Xanadu. The access road to the Fort, he tells me, is barred and
> > > posted. Nevertheless.
> > >
> > > And to correct myself -- of course, Ft Montgomery IS on land
> > > (...duh), it just happens to be separated by a moat - which, I'm
> > > told, has progressively filled back up to the point that the Fort
> is
> > > only an "island" at high tide. But the Fort may not be the best
> > > vantage point anyway, as you pointed out.
> > >
> > > Alburg's "Line Road" - which straddles the border for several
> miles -
> > > makes it all the way to marker 644, thus might be the best way to
> > > approach this, since the only dry option in NY would be to sneak
> into
> > > the Fort. Betcha anything I'll earn another run-in with the
> border
> > > patrol, though.
> > >
> > > While I'm there, I'll make a side trip to another interesting
> border-
> > > area military ruin... the abandoned nuclear Atlas missile site
> > > located 600 meters from the border in Champlain. Went there a
> while
> > > ago, but sans camera. It obviously hasn't been touched since the
> mid-
> > > 60's. (This area is even richer than I thought with border-
> > > straddling roads, abandoned & unguarded border crossings, etc!)
> > >
> > > As far as the frozen option -- you'll notice on the tripoint map
> that
> > > most of the link across the river is a sandbar, not a bridge, and
> the
> > > sandbar is usually reliable in freezing a good chunk strong
> enough
> > > for pick-up trucks. The boat drop on the sandbar is used by US
> > > border enforcement agencies but is open for anyone to use - I
> should
> > > at least get closer. We'll see in February.
> > >
> > >
> > > TerraServer Topo/Sat. images of tripoint area:
> > > http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?
> > > t=2&s=12&x=788&y=6230&z=18&w=2
> > >
> > > TerraServer Topo/Sat. images of Atlas missile "auxiliary" site
> > > http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?
> > > t=1&s=12&x=775&y=6230&z=18&w=2
> > >
> > >
> > > --Jay Di Battista
> > > Plattsburgh, NY
> > > WPTZ-TV
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > oops
> > > > i just found maptech gives a much better map than topozone
> > > > & it does show a road crossing the moat to montgomery island
> > > > so some remnant of that connection may still be there for you
> > > >
> > > > however this map also shows that there is a closer approach to
> > > > the tripoint position on firmer ground from the vermont side
> > > > & that there are monuments just above both banks
> > > > numbered 644 & 645a in vt & ny respectively
> > > >
> > > > these monuments are likely to be intervisible on a clear day
> > > > so they may be a help in getting a fix on the tripoint position
> > > > by just eyeballing along the caus line from either shore
> > > >
> > > > but the map also indicates that the tripoint is slightly closer
> to
> > > the
> > > > right bank than the left
> > > > & actually very near midstream
> > > > so my earlier belief that it favors the left bank is mistaken
> > > >
> > > > the map also shows a wetmark or buoy within the richelieu river
> > > > numbered 645
> > > > tho the ibc specifies this position as a site rather than a
> marker
> > > > hence probably just a ghost & no longer an extant monument
> > > > but it would be interesting to know if anything is still out
> there
> > > >
> > > > also i really like your ice walking plan
> > > > especially as it would be a bp first
> > > > but since a mild el nino winter is being predicted
> > > > the ice isnt likely to get very hard this year
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Meridien24" <meridien24@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Ol' Ft. Blunder happens to be my desktop picture! -- check
> out
> > > > the
> > > > > link below. It's only about 100 yards from the tripoint.
> > > > >
> > > > > Driving to Ft Montgomery is, well, impossible - as you can
> see
> > > > on the
> > > > > small map, it's not on land! I'm not sure the link it had to
> > > land
> > > > is
> > > > > still there..
> > > > >
> > > > > however, here's a thought: in a couple of months, the lake'll
> be
> > > > > frozen. Maybe then I can walk to the tri-point... hmm.
> We'll
> > > see
> > > > > how cold it gets.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.historiclakes.org/explore/Montgomery.html
> > > > >
> > > > > --J
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > Your best bet would be to drive out to the fortification
> shown
> > > > in
> > > > > > Mike's photo and canoe out from there. The fort is Fort
> > > > Montgomery,
> > > > > > built but never used.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BJB
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "m donner" <maxivan82@h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > hi jay
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > both your posts were well enjoyed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the attached pic was taken from the bridge on a dark day
> > > > > > > ny at left
> > > > > > > vt at right
> > > > > > > qc on the horizon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i believe the tripoint is situated roughly athwart the
> large
> > > > > > fortification
> > > > > > > barely visible at left
> > > > > > > & of course you can confirm or improve upon this guess if
> > > > you can
> > > > > > find the
> > > > > > > nyqc terminal monument
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as you probably also know from topozone
> > > > > > > the usgs indicates the tripoint lies only about a quarter
> or
> > > a
> > > > > third
> > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > way from the left to the right shore
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so heres wishing you a much brighter as well as a much
> > > > dryer day
> > > > > so
> > > > > > you can
> > > > > > > develop this further
> > > > > > > m