Subject: was Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone & now tripointing details<br/>
Date: Oct 20, 2002 @ 13:51<br/>
Author: acroorca2002 (&quot;acroorca2002&quot; &lt;orc@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-948163043">--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., &quot;acroorca2002&quot; &lt;orc@o...&gt; wrote:<br/>
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<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; i have a lot more to contribute about your site rolf<br/>
&gt; & will follow with another message of tripointing details later<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>so i also took this opportunity to review your entire tripointing files <br/>
with a fine toothed comb<br/>
& to ferry back & forth not only to jespers via the handy links you <br/>
provided<br/>
but also to harrys & peters excellent collections<br/>
so as to get as immersed as possible into the nitty gritty of all 19 <br/>
european tries<br/>
<br/>
& perhaps there are other troves of other members of these <br/>
safaris that i have missed<br/>
<br/>
& indeed having tried all this<br/>
i wish there were a single site where all the best photos & data <br/>
for each tripoint were assembled for easiest reference<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
but anyway here are some new observations <br/>
& questions for anyone who can answer them <br/>
based on all the above data<br/>
arranged point by point<br/>
<br/>
atczsk<br/>
this tripoint sign with schematic diagram is wonderful <br/>
& a first such to be reported i believe<br/>
<br/>
& absent any photos of the witness monuments indicated on it<br/>
which if found would presumably have been photographed<br/>
this raises the question<br/>
did you all go far enough downstream for a true class c visit<br/>
or are you all really just photographing this one in the dark<br/>
certainly at the confluence ok<br/>
but if without benefit of the boundary alignment shown<br/>
then possibly still somewhat above the true thalweg junction<br/>
as indicated by the likely intervisible monuments on the 2 banks<br/>
<br/>
maybe a dumb question but it has to be asked<br/>
if we are being as punctilious as possible<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
athusk<br/>
is this monument leaning a little <br/>
as seems likely from the pix<br/>
for that might affect the true tripoint position by a few cm<br/>
<br/>
also what is the strange object atop the monument<br/>
if not just some random possession someone has rested there<br/>
<br/>
& does something on this object <br/>
or any mark on top of the monument <br/>
indicate the original position of the tripoint<br/>
from which the slightly modified position could then be projected<br/>
by measuring the angle of dilapidation & height from base to top<br/>
& calculating trigonometrically<br/>
<br/>
or is it all just a bunch of illusions<br/>
leaving the class a visit still just as easy  as putting your finger <br/>
on a possible center dimple<br/>
or at worst<br/>
just measuring for the center of an unmarked monument top<br/>
<br/>
& did anyone go thru any of these inquiries or motions<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
athusi<br/>
appears to have a similar object on top<br/>
or is that just part of the tree in the background<br/>
i cant tell<br/>
but it is curious<br/>
<br/>
also did anyone climb up there to make the point class a<br/>
since it looks possible to wedge oneself up between any of the <br/>
poles & monument edges<br/>
far enough to raise an arm or torso to the center of the top face<br/>
or are we again talking about a class e visit<br/>
as in elusive <br/>
albeit of the so near & yet so far variety<br/>
<br/>
in jespers pic it seems peter may have come closest to class a<br/>
or may have at least visited class c by eyeballing the point<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
i have similar comments & questions for both huroyu & plskua<br/>
while atitsi at least looks easy to touch class a<br/>
yet no photo is available of such success in any of these cases<br/>
so i have to ask<br/>
did anyone actually see or reach any of these points<br/>
as points rather than simply as rocks<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
all the excellent pix of bedelu together raise the very great <br/>
possibility that our next visitors to this point could easily <br/>
with the help of the bridge <br/>
string a transecting tape between the pair of riparian markers<br/>
& connect a second tape to this first tape by a movable eyelet <br/>
attaching its other end to & controlling it from the bede mark on <br/>
the bridge <br/>
& adjusting as necessary with a few tugs on either or both tapes <br/>
until the second tape fully coincides with the thalweg <br/>
<br/>
& in this way a living pic of the trijunction & triline could be made<br/>
once again from the bridge<br/>
with the triline showing up vividly for the first time<br/>
as the half of the transect running from the eyelet to right bank<br/>
<br/>
& the condo tripoints would be clearly visible in that case too<br/>
where the transect meets the eyelet & right bank respectively<br/>
<br/>
i dont know if a similar thing could be done at defrlu<br/>
since there is evidently no bridge so readily at hand there<br/>
but it might be worth the effort there too in any case<br/>
<br/>
of course surprinting ones photos with lines & dots works too<br/>
& peters large red dot at huskua may never be improved upon<br/>
for example<br/>
but doing such a job in real time & space seems way preferable<br/>
wherever that is possible<br/>
yet most especially for our two beloved trilines<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
befrlu<br/>
harry still seems to have the best take on this<br/>
if you remember to click on his leading pic<br/>
which itself is actually misleading<br/>
<br/>
also peter seems right there too<br/>
but i think the desired stream junction might become more real <br/>
& thus more visible in still wetter weather<br/>
when a revisit should yield the desired result<br/>
a clear class b photo<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
czplsk<br/>
is this point defined by the streams or the witness monuments<br/>
or by both<br/>
& if only by the monuments<br/>
then couldnt the point be more accurately made by eyeballing or <br/>
chalk lining along the monument lines<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
hrhusi & hrhuyu<br/>
for clarity it should be stressed that both of these points are dual<br/>
at least for the time being<br/>
in view of their disputed statuses<br/>
just like the recently mentioned ksmone twins<br/>
nor evidently were any of the 4 desired positions seen<br/>
but revisits could conceivably reach all 4 half points<br/>
so a lot more play might still be had at all these places<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
& once again<br/>
please dont judge my remarks as anything but constructive<br/>
for i am the greatest appreciator of what has already been done<br/>
as well as always looking for improvements <br/>
& ever more exactitude<br/>
since we are talking by & large about points<br/>
rather than about mere lines usually<br/>
or about anything so gross as areas <br/>
ever<br/>
except perhaps when claving<br/>
tho this is so easy to forget in physical reality<br/>
& in the flush of our bounding enthusiasm<br/>
<br/>
m</div>