Subject: Re: Lost border markers WAS webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia<br/>
Date: Oct 02, 2002 @ 21:47<br/>
Author: acroorca2002 (&quot;acroorca2002&quot; &lt;orc@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1846206205">gorgeous presentation jesper<br/>
<br/>
what an inspiration you guys are<br/>
<br/>
this is the inner game of try pointing in a nutshell<br/>
<br/>
there is perhaps nothing more rewarding than recovering <br/>
forgotten & elusive rocks<br/>
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& to think we may never exhaust such adventure<br/>
<br/>
m<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., &quot;Jesper Nielsen&quot; &lt;jesniel@i...&gt; wrote:<br/>
&gt; I know the feelings, but sometimes it helps to go back. On our <br/>
recent DEDK expedition we found a few &quot;lost&quot; boundary markers <br/>
using common sence and putting one in the demarcation <br/>
commisions shoes, and we are getting better and better at it.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Attached two photos of lost boundary markers from DEDK:<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; 10.jpg: Border marker #10. Found by Hans-Peter after long <br/>
searching. Some of the dirt around have been clearing to confirm <br/>
the finding. The marker was by the joining of two fences. The <br/>
picture is taken just south of the marker inside Germany. Note <br/>
on attached map from the 1920 agreement that the border <br/>
leaves the Krusau stream to include the entire mill in Germany, <br/>
otherwise it would have been split in two countries. The mill is <br/>
now abandoned and the area is a mess, as a used car dealer <br/>
has his car graveyard there. We should have kept in there in <br/>
1920, but now it too late. Denmark by the way got some other <br/>
land in return, I am not sure where, but have an idea.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; 19a.jpg: Border marker 19a. Found by me. Second attempt. <br/>
Last time we had 19 and 20 and walked between the two, but <br/>
saw nothing. I tried to walk it again, and in the clearing found this <br/>
stone with a line on top. It was pure lock. I told Peter of my finding <br/>
and asked him to find it himself: he walked right passed it, but <br/>
again he saw the line. Again on this photo we have cleared <br/>
some dirt around it. Enclosed it also an official 1920 map of the <br/>
area.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; kobbermolle-map.jpg: The official 1920 border map from the <br/>
eastern side of the border. We have located all markers from this <br/>
end, except 11 (I gave up after having mud to my knees), and 3 <br/>
(on the Danish side). This area is very difficult to access.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Krusaa-map.jpg: The official 1920 map of the border. See how <br/>
the border crossing has changed comparing with present map <br/>
on <br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://levende.kms.dk/geoservice2000/kortbrowser/mapviewer.a">http://levende.kms.dk/geoservice2000/kortbrowser/mapviewer.a</a><br/>
sp?size=1&mapid=d%2f25&csystem=geo_wgs84&cx=0,1642&c<br/>
y=0,95716. Between border markers 15-16-17 is now a German <br/>
house with a German family. We have spoken with him a few <br/>
times and he only speaks a few words of Danish, inspite that his <br/>
property fence is the border to Denmark.  <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Hope you enjoy it.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Jesper<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt;- I consider the moresnet-border-expedition as completed, <br/>
the missing<br/>
&gt; &gt;bordermarkers not being found by earlier trips of other <br/>
bordermen. But<br/>
&gt; &gt;sometimes it aches a little: couldn&#39;t that one or other marker <br/>
be hidden in<br/>
&gt; &gt;a backyard or buried under the ground? Shouldn&#39;t I one day <br/>
etc.etc.?<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- </span></blockquote></div>