Subject: Re: German Exclave in the Vatican<br/>
Date: Feb 26, 2002 @ 19:29<br/>
Author: shocktm (&quot;shocktm&quot; &lt;andrew@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1713428057">--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., &quot;gerardkeating&quot; &lt;gerard@o...&gt; wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., &lt;marcelmiquel@n...&gt; wrote:<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve found the text of the Lateran treaty on the net. It <br/>
 </span></blockquote>clarifies <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; &gt; status of the extraterritorial possessions.The adress is:<br/>
&gt; &gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/treaty.htm">http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/treaty.htm</a><br/>
&gt; &gt; <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; From a reading of this text, Is the &quot;Papal Palace of Castel <br/>
 </span></blockquote>Gandolfo&quot; <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; and enclave of the Vatican City State ???<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>The key articles are #3, #13-16.<br/>
<br/>
Article 3 indicates that &quot;Italy recognizes the full ownership, <br/>
exclusive dominion, and sovereign authority and jurisdiction of the <br/>
Holy See over the Vatican&quot;. Key words here are sovereign authority. <br/>
This creates the Vatican City State.<br/>
<br/>
Article #13 and #14 reconginize/give ownership of several buildings <br/>
including Castel Gandolfo. Key wording here ownership and the lack of <br/>
the words sovereign authority.<br/>
<br/>
Article #15 gives extraterritorial to certin buildings. What rights <br/>
extraterritorial has is dictated by international law.<br/>
<br/>
Article #16 exempts the sites from taxation. The fact that a <br/>
sovereign authority owns land does not exempted it from taxes unless <br/>
agreed to like this. It also exempts the sites from all Italian <br/>
juristiction.<br/>
<br/>
This is where the debate can occur, I see that soverignty has not <br/>
been given to the Holy See over these sites but that Italy has given <br/>
all rights to them to the Holy See and has no recorse on the matter <br/>
unless the Holy See says so. Which means that the sites are sovereign <br/>
parts of the Holy See in all but name. So one could call them <br/>
enclaves or on could not. As soverignty has not been given (even <br/>
though everything else has been given) I would not call them <br/>
enclaves, but that is my opinon.<br/>
<br/>
-Andrew</div>