>From: "bjbutlerus"
>Sorry if I made you feel insecure.
& silly of me not to understand why you think in these terms
for i would rather be silly than sorry insecure etc
& it is of course ones own thought that primarily makes one feel
not anothers
m
& you are the accredited geologist here
so i am listening to you closely about all that loam
for i am only a punctologist
but yes please do give me the proof
>
>The facts from BUS&SS that you mention are the very ones I am using in
>my hypothesis. We have a difference of opinion as to whether the Bois
>de Sioux could produce a meander of approximately 450 feet over the
>course of 110 years (or less, depending when the river was
>channelized). The soil in that area is loamy and not particularly
>resistant, so I think a meander of that size would be quite possible.
>Further evidence is provided by the other meanders north and south of
>the one in question. The pattern is unmistakably that of a meandering
>river.
>
>But are right about needing further information to reach a conclusion.
> I am trying to get some details about where the river flowed just
>prior to being straightened.
>
>BJB
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "m donner" <maxivan82@h...> wrote:
> > brian
> > i know you have offered this opinion before
> > nor did i disagree out loud a second time by offering these new sources
> > because you already heard me once
> > so this time i will only note 2 facts from bus&ss p4f
> >
> > 1
> > when bed & channel are changed by the natural & gradual processes
>known as
> > erosion & accretion the boundary follows the varying course of the
>stream
> >
> > 2
> > if the stream from any cause natural or artificial suddenly leaves
>its old
> > bed & forms a new one
> > by the process known as avulsion
> > the resulting change of channel works no change of boundary
> > which remains in the middle of the old channel tho no water may be
>flowing
> > in it
> >
> >
> > now i believe a stream of this small size couldnt possibly have
>accreted
> > anywhere near so much as you believe it has
> > namely several times its own width
> > even in these 11 decades
> >
> > if streams could routinely sneak around that way they wouldnt make
>very good
> > boundaries
> > & accretion would be a terrible problem
> > which it generally isnt
> >
> > yet somehow usgs has gotten the idea that mnndsd has moved
> > & this cant be entirely ignored or poopooed until we know for sure
>why they
> > think this
> > but in the meantime i think they probably mistook an avulsion or
>work of man
> > for an accretion
> >
> > remember
> > except for only the very minor inching of accretions
> > only a supreme court decision or act of congress could actually make
>the
> > tripoint move
> >
> > so i continue to think mnndsd will be found basically unmoved
> > & moreover since the witness rock pinpoints it
> > this tripoint might be uniquely empowered to withstand even accretion
> > & thus remain absolutly unmoved even despite accretion
> >
> > in any case it will be interesting to see how far the 9 chains fall
>from the
> > thalweg today
> > & then we can see what there is to argue about
> > probably very little
> > because tho i myself reached & identified this usgs mnndsd position
>first i
> > still just cant see it as even being worth talking about
> > unless substantiated by something real
> >
> > m
> >
> >
> > >From: "bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@b...>
> > >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> > >To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> > >Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss
> > >discovered
> > >Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:31:31 -0000
> > >
> > >Except, of course, for the unratified means of erosiion and
> > >accretion. I still like the hypothesis that MNNDSD moved gradually
> > >from the point 9 chains east of the nearby witness monument to the
> > >position shown on the topo map (or thereabouts) and was then frozen
> > >at that position by the man-made avulsion of straightening and
> > >leveeing the river. A possible discrepancy would occur if the topo
> > >map was not made at the time the river was rechanneled (a likely
> > >discrepancy). We really need to see the maps that were used during
> > >the construction project. Also, this hypothesis leads to an infinite
> > >number of paleoMNNDSD points along the 9-chain line segment east of
> > >the witness monument.
> > >
> > >BJB
> > >
> > > > if you are searching for a particular topic such as mnndsd for
> > >example then
> > > > you can simply scan the list & see that the court at least has
> > >never ruled
> > > > on any of the 3 interstate boundaries that terminate there at
> > >mnndsd
> > > > & thus can conclude that if any change has occurred in the mnndsd
> > >position
> > > > since its creation it would have had to have been approved by the
> > >only other
> > > > possible means of ratification
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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