I agree that the leaner probably is not Ellicottian, but I disagree
that NYSW, PANE, and NJE are "similar" to PAN. True, they are all
made of stone. But, in my view, the similarity ends there. With
respect to proportions, finish of the stone faces, inscription style,
shape of the top, shape of the botton, and taper NYSW, PANE, and NJE
are identical. PANE differs markedly in all of these parameters.
My notes do not indicate any date on the PANE monument other than
1790, but if you are saying the style and quality of the stone
indicates a later vintage I would agree. Maybe we could conduct a
virtual field trip by asking the folks at the Lakeside RV Park to walk
over and transcribe the entire inscription on that monument.
BJB
> you are right mr butlerus about the nje njnypa witness match as
these 2 came first & both date from 1882 but dont you also see that
all 5 ny witness stones including pane nysw & pan all dating from the
early 1880s are far more similar than dissimilar in size shape etc as
well as distinctly unlike any others & certainly not of ellicott
vintage in any case or are you still believing that too
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> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
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> > I mentioned NJE because the monument at the top of the cliffs near
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> > there (on the NJ/NY line) is IDENTICAL in form to the witness
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> > monument near NJNYPA (also on the NJ/NY line). As I said, I have
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> > not seen the one near PANE. However, the two I have seen differ
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> > markedly from the monument near PAN. They differ in size, shape,
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> > finish, and inscription style.
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> > BJB
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> > > you are right that there are some slight differences among the 4
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> > witness monuments i am talking about & i have no idea why you
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> > mention nje even if you really mean pae because their markers if any
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> > dont in either case announce nypa into its distinct sectors the way
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> > the monuments at dry pan nysw delpane & njnypa all together do if
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> > you see what i mean for you can on a map of the entire boundary
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> > which was remonumented between 1881 & 1885 so for that reason & to
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> > that extent these 4 rocks do differ stylistically & of course the
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> > leaner was also unique in specially commemorating the original
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> > ellicott survey but you really should see delpane because once more
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> > it will be like deja vu all over again
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> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
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> > > > The monument near PANE-On-Erie is not of the same design as the
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> > > > near NJNYPA, NYSW, or NJE for that matter. The former is not
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> > > > tapered and has no pediment, the radius at the top is larger and
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> > > > top is flat istead of roof-shaped. It also has an inscription
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> > > > the skinny side, whereas the latter do not. I don't know about
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> > > > PANE-On-Delaware because I have not seen it.
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> > > > BJB
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> > > > > nor was the tall leaning monument near dry pan the one placed
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> > > > ellicott there as some others believe but is recognizably a
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> > relic of
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> > > > the same 1880s nypa doings that left very similar witness rocks
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> > near
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> > > > njnypa & nysw & that other pane point on the delaware thus
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> > totalling
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> > > > 4 in all some of which you & some others here may also recognize
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> > by
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> > > > their distinctive appearance
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> > > > > m