dear pepijn
extreme congrats on this elegant report of your excellent exploratory of the greater plbyua area & for successfully completing the closest try at the plbyua tricountry point yet reported here
& of course we look forward to your continuation in the spring
seeing as up to 6 retries are known to have been necessary on occasion to make a try point
your question about whether the border & therefore this tripoint lies in the middle of the river cant be answered without a better map than we presently have
but even better than a better map would be the definitive treaty texts probably 3 in number
failing such improvements tho i would still be willing to make a fool of myself by guessing that the default principle & most common & typically european wet boundary regime is in effect here
namely that the boundary & tripoint lie precisely on the thalweg
or if the thalweg cant be discerned then at the middle of the stream in mean low water
m
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@b...> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 November 2001, I wrote from Lublin:
>
> > The tripoint Poland-Belarus-Ukraine is not at all far from hear,
> > being a few kilometres south of the city of Wlodawa in Poland.
> > The border with Ukraine and Belarus is constituted by the river
> > Bug, the Ukraine-Belarus border is a dry one.
>
> [...]
>
> > In return for you help now, I'll report on the tripoint when we've
> > visited it :-)
>
> We went out to Wlodawa last weekend. Unfortunately, due to bad
> weather conditions (snow) we decided not to go all the way out to the
> tripoint.
>
> We did however peer into Belarus (and with that, watched into a
> different time zone). The border river Bug is not very wide, about
> twenty metres. I did not see any border guards, neither on the Polish
> nor on the Belarusian side.
>
> I went up to the river at two points. Please take a look at the map
> on <http://www.gildor.ikp.pl/gildor/mapa-wlod.html> for reference.
> Another map, less useful for the purpose of this message, may be
> found at <http://strony3.wp.pl/wp/sp3.wlodawa/strony/mapa.html>. The
> inlay on this latter map gives an impression of the location of
> Wlodawa relative to Warsaw.
>
> At the end of Ulica Lubelska (the main road out of town to Lublin),
> entering the map in quadrant D1 and going all the way to the border.
> We approached the street from the ul. Pilsudskiego. At the crossroad
> with ul. Lubelska, in quadrant C5, there was a road sign indicating
> directions to Lublin (left turn) and, I think, Biala Podlaska
> (straight on). There was no indication whatsoever that if you made a
> right turn at this crossroad, you'd end up at the country's border
> within several hundred metres.
>
> Walking down that road you'll pass an warning sign ("Granica
> panstwa"), and several more when you go into the border area. A small
> sand road finally leads up to the bank of the river. Crossing of the
> border is forbidden, or so a sign says. There is a Polish border
> marker (#1137) a few metres from the bank of the river. Nothing of
> the kind was to be seen at the opposite, Belarusian bank. I do not
> know where the border actually is (in the middle of the river?).
>
> Turning back, we headed left (quadrant C6 on the map) and walked up
> to the crossroad in quadrant D6. If you walk up to the river there,
> you'll see border marker #1136. No warning signs or other indications
> here other than the border marker itself.
>
> I took several pictures of the border markers and the area around
> (most notably of the various signs and warnings). I hope to get my
> film developed sometime next week, and will post any pictures of
> interest to the list.
>
> Needless to say, I will undertake another attempt (probably in
> spring) to get to the actual tripoint. I'd like to thank Brendan for
> the map he provided of the area.
>
> -Pepijn
>
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