fellow bp cocreators giants kings & indeed divinities
todd has suggested sharing this interesting thread
& it may well be shameless of us to include such personal stuff
but bp has been curiously encouraging of sharing relevant side conversations
most likely just because the point & the pointer are one & thus equally interesting
but possibly also because our beloved everyones land
if it is ever to become real
is surely a no fault no blame no guilt no shame reality
or rather an all fun reality
so why delay that
& frankly also this thread is too interesting to waste
because it so nicely develops at least 3 topics that matter perhaps to many of us
specifically
everyones land
our gigantism sovereignty divinity or whatever you call it
& capitals on borders
yes a multi thread at last
& thanx to todd a well braided one at that
the matter of gigantism
which burgeoned from gargantuanism to bigfootism & beyond as we realized how great we are when compared to multipoints & even to multiples of states & nations
really does boil down to the matter of multisovereignty
the multisovereignty not only of the points but of ourselves for thinking like this
& the matter of our multisovereignty
in view of the divine rights of sovereigns
continues to boil down to the matter of our collective or multiple divinity
yes i think we are divine
because after all where does the boundary point lie in all of this
if it is not in the ultimate reductio ad sublimum
that in everyones land everyone is a sovereign state
yes
right
just like all the other countries of the world
we are all individually & collectively on a par with say the vatican city at the very least
yes
in everyones land we can all be vatican cities
& even multi vatican cities if we so decide & have sufficiently multiple personalities to man all the embassies
but i have raced ahead of myself
& yet coincidentally we come at last via the vatican city & its balcony to the captioned topic & the questions that follow
whew
capitals on borders interest me first for their rarity
second & third for their extremism & counterexemplariness
but perhaps most of all because they offer the comical escherian topological contortion of the inmost part of a thing being also the outmost
or of a state wearing its heart as it were on its sleeve
or even of a short circuiting of our present idea of sovereignty if you would
particularly when a balcony of government really does face so clownishly outwards
as a center reaching practically beyond its perimeter
& most dramatically of all if an instance of intervisible balconies & thus direct heart to heart contact between governments can be confirmed anywhere
i confess in previous messages on these subjects
i was just shooting my mouth off from the hip as usual
& i still havent made any more careful survey on this question than to be able to say that trenton is indeed unique in this regard among the 50 states
tho it is true that you may also be able to see out of state on a clear day from the tops of the capitol domes in providence dover tallahassee st paul cheyenne & carson city
but these are all just distant runners up to trenton
& not state line cities in any case
& grant & i have so far only found 5 likely such cases among the 192 national capitals
with 3 of these being arguably trivial or negligible for being only city states anyway
vatican monaco & singapore
but the other 2 of these being the especially interesting & possibly even intervisible
brazzaville & kinshasa
yikes & maybe oops
i just found paraguay laos brunei togo botswana uzbekistan denmark & central african republic all looking like possible capitals on borders countries
oh well
we shall see
however whether brazz kinshasa or any of these latter city limits actually even reach an international boundary as for example in the middle of the congo river has yet to be confirmed
in secondary level situations outside the usa
buda & pest come to mind as possibly facing capitals
but i cant confirm that nor think of any other such possibilities off hand
& so much for the secondary & primary levels
when tertiary levels or beyond are considered
& i admit i havent checked this out at all yet either
it is nevertheless obvious that the reduction in size of the political entity under consideration makes it increasingly likely that the capital or seat of government will be on or near an edge of that entity
so the odds of 1 or 2 percent of finding capitals on borders at the highest levels will probably inevitably increase to perhaps 10 or 20 percent at the tertiary level & beyond
& thus become too commonplace to care about
for me the really interesting living edge of this puzzle
which i have been wanting to pursue but necessarily postponing
is the positions of the state houses in the actual street plans of the 4 untested national capitals
now perhaps as many as a dozen
to see whether any of these equals or exceeds the international view of the vatican leader & favorite
singapore & monte carlo might be easy
i just havent tried yet
but brazzaville & kinshasa have resisted many efforts
& that is where the thing rests for now
a mere plaything & sidecar to my multisovereign pointing interests
yet intriguing nonetheless
on another hand
everyones land
as the original creation & perhaps ultimate expression of bp
tho an even higher priority
is similarly waiting for me to get around to checking in this case the antarctic & unclos treaties
just to see what we really do have here
but since i believe we are still a united nations trust territory & not yet a sovereign country
or rather still a legal multidominium & not yet a legal omnidominium
i am pretty sure we do have in this at least a legally substantial heritage if not yet the actual inheritance & birthright of our omnisovereignty
>From: "Shandelman, Todd"
>To: "'Michael Donner'"
>Subject: Capitals vs. Borders
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:19:03 -0400
>
>Michael,
>
>Yes, I agree.
>
>You also wrote:
>
> > but really it is my love of borders that usually keeps me away from
> >capitals
>
>Your statement implies that capital cities tend to be situated away from,
>rather than close to borders.
>
>Do you know of any formal statistical analysis which has been done in that
>regard?
>
>Todd
>
>-----------------------------
>
>( I don't consider what I have written particularly deserving of
>BoundaryPoint dissemination.
>
>But if you reply in a manner which you deem worthy of broadcast, feel free
>to do so. )
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Donner [mailto:barbaria_longa@...]
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:10 PM
>To: Todd.Shandelman@...
>Subject: Re: Attention: Mr. Michael Donner
>
>
>
>dear todd
>
>this is beautiful
>
>you are much appreciated
>
>& all together we are a whole new freakin race of giants
>
>dont you agree
>
>m
>
>
>
> >From: "Shandelman, Todd"
> >To: "'barbaria_longa@...'"
> >Subject: Attention: Mr. Michael Donner
> >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:21:14 -0400
> >
> >Mr. Donner:
> >
> >I just now came across your email, in which you wrote (blank lines removed
> >by me):
> >
> > todd
> > thatwaschoicehahahahaha
> > youaresuchakidder
> > &myspacebarhasbeenstickinglatelytoohahahaha
> > but i think i am your only culprit
> > actually however i use only the perfectly 3cubed shakespearean alphabet
> >of the 26 lower case letters plus
> > the ampersand
> > what
> > you mean he went out of business too
> > but really it is my love of borders that usually keeps me away from
> >capitals
> > & it is my reverence for punctology that forbids me to punctuate in vain
> > however i have found that fast witted people can actually speed up when
> >they read this stuff
> > so fortunately it really is reader friendly to most of the readers i wish
> >to befriend
> > like yourself
> > m
> > ps
> > the most ancient greeks actually wrote boustrophedon
> > or back & forth as an ox plows
> > so things are getting better all the time
> >
> >Thank you for your kind words, notwithstanding my own rather acerbic tone.
> >You are a big person, bigger -- in any case -- than your not-so-humble (but
>
> >now slightly humbler) correspondent.
> >
> >And thanks for saying you wish to befriend me. Consider me befriended.
> >
> >Todd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael Donner [mailto:barbaria_longa@...]
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:49 PM
> >To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [BoundaryPoint] yoicks its multi country ho
> >
> >
> >go eef
> >go eef
> >
> >when you return
> >i would like to make a list of all the tri country points we have all
> >actually visited
> >
> >
> >david
> >about atchde
> >i believed it when i said it on july 27 but you are asking me today
> >hundreds of messages later
> >
> >thankfully sometimes things move fast around here
> >
> >today i believe gideon is probably wrong but not yet necessarily wrong
> >& that there may be no atchde tripoint at all
> >but only a triarea of the full lake diminished by the 25m isobath line
> >
> >at least that much is new
> >thanx to my itch
> >
> >but why dont we ask gideon what he meant by this tripoint position
> >as he may know something we dont
> >
> >doesnt jesper have his email address
> >
> >
> >todd
> >thatwaschoicehahahahaha
> >youaresuchakidder
> >&myspacebarhasbeenstickinglatelytoohahahaha
> >but i think i am your only culprit
> >actually however i use only the perfectly 3cubed shakespearean alphabet of
> >the 26 lower case letters plus the ampersand
> >
> >what
> >you mean he went out of business too
> >
> >but really it is my love of borders that usually keeps me away from
>capitals
> >& it is my reverence for punctology that forbids me to punctuate in vain
> >
> >however i have found that fast witted people can actually speed up when
>they
> >read this stuff
> >so fortunately it really is reader friendly to most of the readers i wish
>to
> >befriend
> >like yourself
> >m
> >
> >ps
> >the most ancient greeks actually wrote boustrophedon
> >or back & forth as an ox plows
> >so things are getting better all the time
> >
> >
> >
> >
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