Marcel,
Thanks a lot for your searching. It comes more & more clear that the
Spanish-Andorran border is not fixed, neither the French-Andorran border. On
the various maps there are three possible (eastern) tripoints to be seen:
the portella blanca, a little south-west to it and to the south on the
saddle between a little and larger hill. I'll wait for your next scan and
then produce an update of the webpage.
vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns
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----- Original Message -----
From: <marcelmiquel@...>
To: "Boundary Point" <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] More about the Spain/France/Andorra east tripoint
(2)
Hello
As i have promised in my previous message (3871), I have more
information about the east Andorra tripoint:
I own a new official spanish map, "mapa topográfico nacional de
España", published by the spanish government, 1:25:000, and the
tripoint is marked at La Portella, where the border marker 427 is
placed. Next weekend i will scan and post it.
I've consulted a very interesting book: "Atles cartogràfic de les Valls
d'Andorra 1692-1976", edited in 1999 by the Andorran goverment. There
are several articles about andorran cartography and geography, and over
80 different spanish, french and andorran maps.
Ather reading the articles, I conclude that there are no boundary
treaties between Andorra / Spain and Andorra/France. All the border
lines are "provisional". A notarial delimitation act between Andorra
and France is confirmed, but it seems it was only about the Parròquia
(municipality) of St. Julià de Lòria, so it doesn't include the
tripoint. It was made in 1856, and the notaries were Lluís Dalmau de
Baquer, from Andorra and Tomàs Pal Mitjavila, from Spain.
The maps are in larger scale ( the most 1:100.000 and over ). The
1:50.000 ( unofficials ) maps are no so precise to mark the exact
tripoint. Some maps seems to mark the north one and some the south..
There's a map 1:50.000 made by M. Chevalier in 1923 ("raccord entre
l'Andorre et la frontière espagnole par l'état major espagnol"), where
the border finish at Portella Blanca ( 2.515 m.), so the north one, but
another map of M. Chevalier ( 1925 ), marks the south one.
On a popular catalan map for excursionists 1:40.000 ( Ed. Alpina ), the
tripoint is not cleraly marked. There's is a note in this map: "the
border limits are provisional until the agreements would be make"
The official andorran 1:10.000 map ( 1976 ) that Eef put in his web
marks the south tripoint, but there's a note about all the andorran
boundaries: "provisional boundary limits", and "the Spain/Andorra
boundary line hasn't been officially sanctioned"
So we can conclude that the tripoint exist, but Andorra hasn't
boundary treaties with Spain and France, so, the exact location is not
well defined.
Searching for more information, I have found that a France/Andorra
boundary treaty was signed on september, 2000: As I've explained, there
is a disputed zone near the tripoint. The Envalira tunnel was in works,
and a viaduct had to cross this zone. France and Andorra have exchanged
15.000 m2 and delimited the boundary in this zone. The mayor of Porta (
France ) is not satisfied with this treaty.
In the treaty both countries declare that they want a future agreement
about his whole common boundary.
See the links ( in catalan ):
http://www.elperiodico.com/EDICION/ED010731/CAS/CARP04/PDF/pag008.pdf
http://www.elperiodico.com/online/apuntador_andorra.asp?
urlname=http://www.elperiodico.com/EDICION/ED010706/CAS/CARP04/tex007.as
p
http://www.juridicas.com/areas_virtual/Revistas/99-Andorra/andorra7.htm
Marcel
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