Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More lax than US-Canada?
Date: Aug 02, 2001 @ 21:42
Author: Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
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Or rather, America could become either a) the 11th Province or b) the 3rd Territory.
 
Regarding the Canada-US border south of Vancouver... I drove along it last Sunday, from the Algergrove crossing to the Peace Gardens.  Much of the border along Zero Avenue is completely hidden...  lots of bush that even surrounds boundary markers.  You can see them every once in a while poking through the shrubbery.  I'm sure I saw the knights who say "Ni!" poking around the shrubbery as well.  But I digress...
 
No sign of lasers and cameras, although they do exist (I've seen pics of cameras along the PQ-VE border.  But nothing to the naked eye here -- no wires, poles, clearings, etc, that could be surveillance gear. Although, perhaps it is very well hidden, hence being surveillance gear. 
 
Cheers,
 
Doug
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:26:05 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More lax than US-Canada?
 
Yeah, I wish Canada would just wise up, maybe even become the 51st
state, and then we could stop all this nonsense.

BJB

--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@a...> wrote:
> Jesper, Randy and others,
>
When did Norway and Iceland become part of the Schengen group?
They're not
> part of the EU as yet.
> 
> I have a couple
of pictures of the Monaco-France border at three
different
>
locations.  I'll try to get them made into prints, scanned and sent
out to
> everyone.  Actually this border is easy to spot if
you're looking
for it.
> 
> Regarding the US-Canada
border.  It isn't as lax as most people
think it is.
>
While it doesn't have the fences and walls as in the case of the US-
Mexico
> border, it is heavily 'fortified' otherwise. 
Laser sensors all
along the
> border assist border patrol agents
in finding illegal crossers,
including
> bears, moose, and
elk--although the latter are usually not
arrested.  When
>
the lasers are tripped, ground patrol vehicles are dispatched to
search for
> crossers, and in more remote locations, helicopters
are sent out. 
If a
> person crosses the border away from
an official crossing point and
doesn't
> report at the nearest
immigration office, he/she could be fined
thousands of
> dollars
and spend years in prison.  Likewise, laws and regulations
create a
> rather difficult barrier as well, especially for people whose
homes
and
> yards are bisected by the border.  While there
are few actual
physical
> barriers on the US-Canada border,
there are significant legal
barriers,
> laser sensors, and
patrol vehicles and personnel that make it a
fairly
> fortified
boundary.
> Brian Butler mentioned his recent trip to the
International Peace
Garden.
> I've done quite a lot of research
in that area, and it's hard to
believe the
> terrible headaches
that are created on a daily basis for the park
> superintendents and
personnel managers--they're constantly fighting
legal
> battles,
immigration-related personnel problems, country-specific
>
environmental conservation issues, insurance claims, binational tax
> problems, etc.  This is why the Peace Garden is unable to
keep a
> superintendent on staff for more than a few years at a
time--too
much legal
> fighting over and along the US-Canada
border.  From the tourist's
> perspective it is a peace garden,
but from the organization's
perspective it
> is a constant
battle--visitors don't see that side of it.
> 
> Anyway,
just a few observations on my part.
> 
>
Dallen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:
Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@i...]
> Sent:
Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:10 AM
> To: BoundaryPoint@y...
>
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] More lax than US-Canada?
>
>
>
> Randy,
> 
> Within the Schengen
countries (Iceland, Finland, Norway, Sweden,
Denmark,
> Germany,
Netherlands, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Austria, Spain,
Portugal,
> Italy, Greece) as a rule there are no guarded
borders, and you can
travel
> freely crossing the border
whereever you want.
> 
> Most miniature countries like
Monaco, the Vatican etc do also not
have
> guarded borders. In
fact it should be quite hard even to spot the
Monacon
> border!
Can anybody produce a picture?
> 
> Jesper
> 
> 
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From: Randy Finder <mailto:naraht@D...> 
> To:
BoundaryPoint@y... <mailto:BoundaryPoint@y...> 
> Sent:
Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:04 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] More
lax than US-Canada?
>
> I was reading the article on the
fences on InPk and the to be built
> on InBa. It hit me that at
least to USAians, the other end of the
> scale is the US-Canadian
border. However that still has guards. Are
> there other borders
(perhaps inside the EU?) where the borders are
> treated more
lightly and less well guarded than USCA?
>
> Randolph
Finder
>
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