Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
Date: Oct 28, 2006 @ 13:45
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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> After an examination of your new-found PDF file, Ihttp://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/icases/ish/ish_ijudgments/ish_ijudgment_19920911.pdf
> must change my
> earlier opinion that the central portion of the
> southeastern lobe of the
> gulf constitutes a second tridominial area distinct
> from that along the
> central segment of the gulf's closing line. The
> judgment of the court
> finds a tridominium in the gulf, but makes it
> subject to two physical
> limitations: (1) the three-mile littoral belts
> previously agreed to by
> the states, and (2) the 1900 agreement between
> Honduras and Nicaragua.
> I had first assumed that the latter pertained to
> their land boundary's
> intersection with the gulf, but the matter is
> specifically addressed in
> paragraphs 404 (PDF page 250) and 413 (PDF pages 254
> and 255). Here, we
> learn that the two contracting states had
> bilaterally delimited
> sovereignty in part of the gulf by a line that
> "terminates well short of
> the closing line of the Gulf" and that El Salvador
> had (perhaps
> unwittingly) accepted the same. While the 1992
> court decision
> incorporates the 1900 agreement by reference, it
> does not describe it
> further. However, where could it be than in the
> southeastern lobe? If
> it is a fair assumption that Honduras and Nicaragua
> would have
> partitioned all of the waters that are either
> overlapped or surrounded
> by their respective three-mile littoral belts, then
> there is no
> tridominium other than the one along the central
> segment of the closing
> line. (A full description of the 1900 delimitation
> at page 710 of the
> 1917 volume of the AMERICAN JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL
> LAW should tell the
> tale one way or the other.)
>
> I think this is the answer to your first-mentioned
> conundrum below. As
> for the second, I agree that the duplication of text
> is an artifact of
> poor editing.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of
> hnnisv tridominium & its
> trilines & tripoint
>
>
> > thanx
> > i am much obliged as well as much inclined to
> agree
> > & not just because i like the idea of making a
> fresh
> > triarea discovery
> > & thus getting 2 tridominia with associated
> trilines &
> > tripoints for the price of 1
> > but just because it seems right
> >
> > but the 2 things i didnt understand about the
> legal
> > text below
> > which made me pause before coming to any firm
> > conclusions
> > were
> > why the waters at the central portion of the
> closing
> > line appear to be specially distinguished from the
> > waters outside the belt of exclusive seas
> generally
> > &
> > why the curious apparent or actual reduplication
> in
> > the text
> >
> > & i can dismiss the latter of these puzzles as
> being
> > the probable result of a clerical error
> > since this version of the text at paragraph 432 on
> > page 265 here is not in fact riddled with this
> problem
> >
>
> > but it is hard to understand what the need or=== message truncated ===
> basis
> > for the former conundrum might be
> >
> > but maybe you can elucidate this too
> >
> >
> > & also
> > to further advance the tridominioscopy
> > i have just noticed in section 3 of the
> continuation
> > of paragraph 432 of the judgment
> > on the pdf page following the one above
> > that there is added
> > attached to the tridominial waters inside the
> central
> > portion of the gulf closing line a zone of
> tridominial
> > territorial seas outside of it
> > presumably extending 12 nautical miles seaward
> > since all 3 of these countries can & do claim at
> least
> > that much territorial sea in the outer sea
> >
> >
> > so
> > to sum up
> > 2 tridominal triareas do appear to exist
> > one of them simple & one compound
> >
> > & if so
> > then the simple or inner one is contiguous to all
> 3
> > exclusively sovereign territories
> > & is thus ringed by a chain of 3 trilines & 3
> > tripoints
> > of which all but the hnnisvhnni tripoint are at
> least
> > partly shown in colored dots on the pdf map i
> began
> > with
> > hopefully still linked below
> >
> > & the outer tridominial area
> > comprising the mentioned & depicted internal
> > tridominial waters within the gulf plus a roughly
> > rectangular 12nm extension from these of
> tridominial
> > territorial seas outside the gulf
> > is contiguous only with the exclusive sovereign
> > territories of ni & sv
> > & is a true exclave of hn as previously observed
> > & thus has only the 2 trilines & their single
> tripoint
> > mentioned below
> > if one doesnt count its seaward interface with
> > everyones water & its adjoining tripoints with
> > everyones water & ni & sv respectively
> >
> > but counting all of these
> > & why shouldnt we whether in the interests of full
> > disclosure
> > or because we are here in everyones land ourselves
> at
> > bp
> > then it is now looking like a total of 2
> tridominial
> > triareas ringed by a total of 6 tridominial
> trilines &
> > 6 tridominial tripoints
> >
> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
> >
> >> The lobe of the Gulf of Fonseca that begins at
> the
> >> kilometer scale and
> >> north arrow runs about 20 miles southeastward and
> >> has an average width
> >> of about eight miles between opposing points of
> >> land. Therefore, there
> >> is plenty of room within it for tridominium under
> >> the provisions of the
> >> court decision below. If the Gulf is jointly
> held,
> >> subject only to the
> >> sovereign three-mile territorial seas, I see no
> >> reason why the
> >> southeastern lobe should not be joint, as well
> as
> >> the small area along
> >> the historic bay closing line.
> >>
> >> Lowell G. McManus
> >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
>