Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
Date: Jul 31, 2006 @ 23:49
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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> I have edited the text, and made insertions below:http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/campione_italia_tab1.htm
>
> > I would think the latter, if that is actually the
> > dry brook bottom,
> > which is hard to determine. As you know,
> > photographic perspective can
> > be deceptive on a steeep slope. It seems
> consistent
> > that the buried
> > Swiss pipe ends before striking Italy. What is
> that
> > just below the end
> > of the pipe and the piece of log holding it? Is
> it
> > the edge of a plank
> > or international footbridge across the brook--a
> part
> > of the trail shown
> > on the map?
>
> Yes, I agree. The tripoint is most likely at
> the brook bottom. Yes, the plank is part of an
> international footbridge.
>
> Below is the italian text from
>
>http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/img/campione_fig05b.jpg
> #14:
> Targa sulla retta 14-V1 (?). Per la linea di confine
> fa fede il cippo. Il confine prosegue in linea retta
> lungo la direzione 13B-14 fino all'asse della Valle
> della Punta
>
> #V1:
> Non demarcato e senza numero progressivo. Il confine
> prosegue piegando in linea retta verso occidente per
> raggiungere il punto d'incontro degli assi dei due
> valloncelli a monte della Valle della Punta. Da
> questo
> punto il confine segue l'asse della valle sino al
> 14A.
>
>
> I believe the text above says that the border
> continues along the line 13B-14 until it hits the
> brook, which intersection defines the unmarked point
> V1.
>
> Please also note that there are several points and
> markers along the brook between 14 and the 15s.
>
>
> > Certainly rock 14 would be on it, and it seems
> that
> > the red sign would
> > be too.
>
> The red sign may or may not be placed on the border.
> It is my experience that the red signposts were
> placed
> in the general neighbourhood of the stones, close to
> but not necessarily on the very border.
>
> See for example
> http://campione.enclaves.org/image/124-2468_img.jpg
> where the red signpost is clearly within CH.
>
>
> > > & so the smaller stone may thus mark the arbi
> > brook
> > > bottom diagonally or even indirectly
> > > rather than orthogonally & directly
> > > inasmuch as there do appear to be 1 or 2 other
> as
> > yet
> > > unexplained stone markers in this pic too
> >
> > I agree. The "B" rock does not seem to be in the
> > brook bottom. Also,
> > the "B" does not face the right direction for it
> to
> > be a bilateral
> > boundary monument. If it is a unilateral Bissone
> > marker, then the
> > squarish rock directly above rock 14 and to the
> left
> > of the red post
> > could be the corresponding Arogno marker.
>
> Yes, this is not unlikey. See
>
> The square stone may be the one marked 574.2, which,http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/campione_italia_tab1.htm
> incidentally, could not be the elevation, at least
> not
> in meters, since it is quoted at 548 meters in
>
>http://south-african-diaspora-solutions.com/border-of-campione.html
>
> [..cut..]
>
> > >>
> > >> We thought that rock 14 was the southeast
> corner
> > of
> > >> Campione, but the
> > >> treaty says different. This explains the
> curious
> > >> markings on its top.
> > >> The dimple is on the long leg of the L, not at
> > its
> > >> corner. This
> > >> indicates that the boundary runs on a ways
> before
> > >> making the turn, just
> > >> as the treaty says.
>
> Yes, it does, doesn't it?
>
>
> Don't miss the Campione border walk at
>
>__________________________________________________
> Also, I have two pictures of the 14-area from my
> good friend Vito la Colla. Please don't copy
> and/or republish them.
>
> http://campione.enclaves.org/image/N14A.png
> http://campione.enclaves.org/image/N14B.png
>
>
>
> Yours,
> M