Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
Date: Jul 31, 2006 @ 07:12
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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> If you will go to http://campione.enclaves.org/ and__________________________________________________
> view the second page
> of the "Elfer Anstand" of the 1861 treaty that
> delimits the boundary,
> you will find in the very center of that page:
>
> Die Richtung von Nr. 13 zu Nr. 14 auf weitere
> sieben Meter über Nr. 14 hinaus verfolgend,
> kommt man zum Tobel genannt Valle della
> Punta, und bei diesem hört die Grenze der
> Gemeinde Arogno auf und bginnt diejenige
> der schweizerischen Gemeinde Bisssone.
>
> Von besagtem Punkte an bezeichnet das Tobel
> selbst auf eine Länge von 610 Meter, seinen
> Krümmungen nach gemessen, die Grenze bis
> zu seiner Kreuzung durch die Fahrstrasse
> zwischen Campione und Bissone, wo eine
> kleine Kapelle steht.
>
> To me, this seems to say that CHIT runs, on the same
> bearing as between
> rocks 13 and 14, seven meters onward past rock 14 ,
> then comes to the
> Tobel Valle della Punta, where Arogno stops and
> Bissone begins. From
> there, it runs down the Tobel for 610 meters until
> it crosses the
> Campione-Bissone road where a small chapel stands.
>
> We thought that rock 14 was the southeast corner of
> Campione, but the
> treaty says different. This explains the curious
> markings on its top.
> The dimple is on the long leg of the L, not at its
> corner. This
> indicates that the boundary runs on a ways before
> making the turn, just
> as the treaty says. So, the municipal rock in the
> background of the
> photo seems to be the actual tripoint and the corner
> of Campione!
>
> If you will look at the map at the enlarged
> black-and-white map at
> http://campione.enclaves.org/ , you will see that
> the boundary does
> indeed follow the valley, which the map calls
> "Posero," down from 14 to
> the road crossing at 15.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione
> d'Italia
>
>
> > in fact
> > & in all fairness to craig of mississauga
> > & with extra honors to lowell of leesville too for
> not
> > overplaying this point
> > it was already clear from craigs report that he
> had
> > indeed paid a call on this very arogno bissone
> > campione or arbica trimunicipal point in the
> course of
> > his hair raising ramble
> > by simply visiting the southeast corner of
> campione
> > along the way
> > for he says
> >> I continued along the road until it ended in a
> small
> > park. From here
> >> it was a very short walk to find the sign and
> > boundary stone in
> >> Campione d'Italia's southeast corner, and there
> was
> > an "L" marked in
> >> the top of the stone to indicate where the corner
> > stood.
> > so perhaps we can still look forward to his
> posting an
> > updated photo of this corner marker rock number 14
> > tho in fairness also to mats of lund
> > it would be extremely hard to improve in any way
> on
> > his earlier photo
> >
> http://campione.enclaves.org/image/124-2463_img.jpg
> > even tho a slight question remains about the exact
> > arbica tripoint location within it
> >
> > for is the tripoint simply centered in the top
> center
> > hole of the marker as i would guess
> > or could it be at the outer bend of the ell shaped
> > turnpoint diagram
> > or midway between the outer & inner corners of
> this
> > thick line
> > or at the inner corner point of it
> > or even somewhere else entirely among these
> perhaps as
> > many of 4 different markers
> >
> http://campione.enclaves.org/image/124-2462_img.jpg
> > & thus not on this ell diagram nor even on this
> ell
> > marker at all
> >
> > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
> >
> >> sharp shooting maestro
> >> for thats the international quaternary tripoint
> of
> >> chit2lmti3colg4arbica youve found there
> >> thus obviating any need to find a more obscure
> >> quintenary one within the campione city
> >> administration
> >>
> >> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mike D. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > campione doesnt appear to have any major
> >> tripoints
> >> > > as it is situated entirely within the lugano
> >> > district
> >> > > of the ticino canton of switzerland
> >> >
> >> > It does have at least one minor tripoint,
> however.
> >>
> >> > On the page at
> >> > http://campione.enclaves.org/ , please see the
> >> left
> >> > photo under "Marker
> >> > 14," which is the southeast corner of Campione.
> >> In
> >> > addition to the CHIT
> >> > monument at the base of the red signpost, there
> is
> >> a
> >> > smaller rock
> >> > marking the bounds of the Swiss municipalities
> of
> >> > Arogno and Bissone.
> >> >
> >> > Lowell G. McManus
> >> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> >
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