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BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "XML" <x.maillard@...> wrote:
>
> I am sorry, among the mistakes I made while typing my messages, I
> wrote: 'Well, just to correct this above-quoted 2004 reply you
wrote:
> actually it is not Ile Verte (Green Island, the biggest island,
with
> the Canadian lighthouse on its Eastern side) which is nicked - nor
> Little Green Island (the second largest island of the group), but
it
> is L'Enfant Perdu de l'Ile Verte (Green Island's Lost Child, i.e. a
> rock far away from Green Island) and also the western group of
> Little Green Island group, also located far from Green Island.'
>
> This has to be corrected in: 'and also the western rock of Little
> Green Island group etc'
thats perfectly all right my friend
i enjoy the citation & recitation anyway
& it is clear we can never be specific enough in these foggy little
green isles
> I also wrote about point 9 of the 1972 Sea boundary line
agreement.
> Of course, what I wanted to write is that I flew over this point 2
> months 'ago'.
>
> Now about your reply:
>
> you missed nothing important with the bottom of my message you did
> not get, except I concluded with: 'Sorry for having been quite
long
> for only small turning points'.
actually that was & is again very funny too & worth repeating
but it is all quite interesting & worth repeating
because as you see we have been growing our multipointing project
purely by beating the bush telegraph like this across the years in
fascinating performances that really do get playback from beyond
so i too sign off with you on this & thank you profusely til the
cosmos again answers our quest
> And also:
> - Chimerical quest, yes.
> - OK. Let's stay with two only FRCA boundary wet/dry 'shorepoints'
> (not shoreline).
> - the 1972 agreement says 'Enfant Perdu de l'Ile Verte (Canada)'
so
> we can consider this rock is Canadian. However, it does not say
the
> western rock of the Little Green Island group is Canadian. It says
> nothing, just indicating where is located the wet/dry turning
point
> on this rock. The text that says that the rock is left to Canada
is
> not the official agreement text, nor the official appendix. It is
> only a US interpretation of the agreement.
> - metaboundary: OK, that is clear.
> - a french point but not really any french shore: I agree.
>
> I guess you can read the rest the message, with the parts of y
> message you did not get, directly on Yahoo groups website.
>
> > but what i meant by this is on a still finer level of
> > detail than even this map affords
>
> OK, I understand.
>
> > & my guess hinges only on the fact that the turnpoint
> > angles are fairly acute while the land forms they
> > enclose are relatively obtuse
>
> > obviously it is much easier to nick anything at only a
> > single point with a wide angle turnpoint than with an
> > enclosing one
>
> > also
> > even taking romain & his gis program at their word on
> > the geocoords
> > since we cant actually see the lines of latitude &
> > longitude there
> > the treaty nevertheless gives these coords only to
> > approximate integral degminsecs & in no particular
> > datum
> > so clearly the textual description must trump the
> > supposed geopositions
> > as i think he also realizes in finally crediting &
> > preferring the red line
>
> I agree with the red line.
>
> As you might have noticed, DMAHC 14340 chart (20th edition, Nov.
> 1943, revised November 11, 1972) give points 4 and 5 according to
> the latitude and longitude degrees, and it gives the same result
as
> what Romain got: there is a strange difference, the point awaited
to
> be on Enfant Perdu de l'Ile Verte shore being not on the rock but,
> instead of this, quite far, in the East, in the sea, and the point
> awaited to be on the Southwestern islet being located ... on
Little
> Green Island. Two mistakes: if you follow the description, we must
> conclude that two errors occured on that map too.
>
> > however i dont understand on what basis he ascribes
> > french nationality to the enfant perdu de l ile verte
>
> He made a mistake with that, Enfant perdu de l'Ile Verte is not
> French.
>
> > there is apparently more than one enfant perdu
>
> Actually, there are three Enfant perdu:
>
> 1 one French, located South of Saint Pierre
> 2 one Canadian, located off Newfoundland (Southwestern of Burin
> Peninsula)
> 3 one Canadian, which is Enfant perdu de l'Ile Verte, not too far
> away from Little Green Island group.
>
> > or else the agreement errs in ascribing first one
> > nationality & then the other to it
> > but the enfant perdu of turnpoint 4 is clearly
> > designated by the treaty as canada only
>
> It is cleary designated as 'Enfant Perdu [de l'Ile Verte]
(Canada)'
> (only once) in the appendix of the agreement.
>
> > > CHS chart 4490 would certainly give us a clue
> > > regarding this
> > > hypothetis. Since I am not anymore in North America,
> > > I have more
> > > difficulties to find it, here in Europe.
> >
> > yes i wish we could somehow inspire our resident
> > canadians to give a call to ottawa or their local map
> > store for this
> >
> > > The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Paris has
> > > answered me they
> > > have a chart with their 1972 agreement copy, but the
> > > chart is said
> > > to be 'too big to be copied'... :(
> >
> > could you visit them in paris for the thrill of just
> > eyeballing it
> > & perhaps sketch the essential little parts of it for
> > us
>
> I will ask them if the public can access to this map (which I am
not
> sure by now) and if the answer is yes, I will then go to see and
> picture it when I will be in Paris (I live in Cannes, French
> Riviera).
>
> > > In addition, I do not know if anywhere else around
> > > the world there
> > > are islands under one rule located in the national
> > > waters of another
> > > countries. Do you know if there are some?
> >
> > not sure but likoma & chisumulu may be the only ones
> > in the world
>
> Yes, these islands parts of Malawi within Mozambique's waters is a
> good example, thanks.
>
> Another one (yet not an island this time) I have found is the
> following:
> on St.Martin island, on the Eastern part of it, Oyster Pond's
shore
> and land is French (located on the Northern side of the 'lagoon')
> but all the lagoon's waters are Dutch. The lagoon is entirely
under
> Dutch sovereignty, but the Northern shore is French.
>
> Xavier
>