oops but hold everything please

this lost ellicott rock is causing some upheavals in
my measurements & computations
& skepticism of my own results
so i have suspended the try until i can digest all the
ibc coords
since another look tells me the canadian map could
still be entirely right
& the indian & american maps entirely wrong
about the interface between the 2 ibc sectors &
turnpoint positions

which would alter the nyonq target window

so oops & stalls
but i need to run out for an inverter now

& i will report back in as soon as i can refocus the
try

--- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> agreed that skepticism is always a good idea
> & i can add from some experience
> especially so for this nyonqc baby
>
> & for indian & third world mapping in general of
> course too
>
> so please dont put too fine a point on my previous
> best guess of
> a couple hundred meters toward the right bank etc
>
> &
> thanx to this your still more reliable looking but
> essentially identical map
> which goes at least partway to the more
> authoritative
> data i had been looking for
> it seems pretty likely now from their matching
> depictions of the onqc turnpoints & particularly
> their
> matching slight overextension of onqc beyond nyonqc
> into the usa
> that my maps were at least partly copied or
> generated
> from yours
> or rather lets say from the same master as yours by
> &
> large
>
> but i am still following your advice & being
> skeptical
> & just as skeptical of yours as of mine
> because of the glaringly mistaken caus jog yours
> takes
> southwest from marker 774
> rather than cutting this directly nw from the
> 45degree
> sector terminal & transition point
> aka the lost ellicott rock
> to turnpoint 1 properly so called
> as we know it should from the ibc coords for the
> markers & turnpoints
> & downtown personal experience
>
>
> which btw makes it totally impossible to take
> advantage of the improvement your official canadian
> mapping represents for purposes of refining this
> guess
>
> up to say 300 meters or 100 yards
> hahahahaha
> which nevertheless i now emphatically do anyway
> hahahaha
> after having combined & crunched all the data we
> have
> so far developed
> but relying especially & most emphatically in this
> case on indian mapping
> hahahaha
> rather than the luxuries of either canadian first
> world or american second world mapping
> hahahhahahaha
> hahahahahahaha
> ahhhhhhh
>
> & in fact i would even like to wheedle that up to
> roughly 302 meters now
> back toward the ellicott rock
> from the 10 foot square window represented by
> turnpoint 1
> with tears rolling down my cheeks
> because after synthesizing as much presumptive
> accuracy as possible from all 3 worlds
> thats exactly where i land
>
> & i both trust it & am skeptical of it to that
> extent
>
> & since we know the geocoords of the ellicott rock &
> turnpoint 1 in degminsecdec
> i think you might even be able to coax my position
> out
> of your gps calculator faster than i can get it
> manually with pencil & paper after reinventing or
> supplying the necessary spherical trig
> which i will now proceed to do
> but i am posting this now without delay in case you
> or
> anyone else who has been following this would like
> to
> join the chase & the race to presumptive caus2nyonqc
> at 10 foot range
>
>
> & i would also appreciate the backup of the
> computational doublecheck
> even if you dont race but only chase
>
> --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@...> wrote:
>
> > I would be very sceptical of placing much/any
> > reliance on that map for
> > detailed and highly precise navigation purposes.
> > There is no evidence that
> > it is the output of proper surveying or reference
> to
> > official
> > documents/treaties etc., and I would suggest that
> > there is significant
> > cartographic production latitude employed to make
> it
> > look nice and pretty
> > (and perfectly useful for most purposes).
> >
> > I don't have the USGS quad for that area (but will
> > get it shortly) but
> > attached is the relevant section from the Canadian
> > Government 1:50000 topo
> > for reference.
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of aletheiak
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:44 AM
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re:
> > special congrats may be in
> > order for czdepl improvement
> >
> >
> > agreed & no biggie in any case
> > but a really interesting upshot of all this is the
> > following pair of more
> > detailed & reliable
> > looking maps of nyonqc than i have ever seen
> before
> > http://www.akwesasne.ca/AkwesasneMap.pdf
> > evidently confirming that its location is indeed
> not
> > at ibc turnpoint 1
> > as the usgs topos & many other maps show
> > but at some other also probably geodetically
> > specified point or window
> > a couple hundred meters closer to the right bank
> > from there
> > & possibly even legally specified as being in the
> > middle of the seaway
> > channel cut
> > for thats what it at least looks like
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike D.,
> > >
> > > I understand what you are saying, but I think
> you
> > and I just interpreted
> > Hugh's
> > > second-paragraph question differently.
> > >
> > > Oh, I don't know that there was ever a buoy
> > marking the Lake Pontchartrain
> >
> > > parish quadripoint. If there was, I seriously
> > doubt that it's there
> > anymore.
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > To: <boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special
> congrats
> > may be in order for
> > czdepl
> > > improvement
> > >
> > >
> > > > lowell
> > > > you may well know better about louisiana & or
> in
> > > > general & i hope you do
> > > > but the difficulty with your florida example &
> > perhaps
> > > > all of these you mention
> > > > since the question rightly asks & the bill you
> > were
> > > > trying to fit is for more precision rather
> than
> > just
>

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