in fact
both the de facto illbsy & the de facto iljosy are
trilines rather than tripoints
strictly speaking
insofar as the undof deployment area is there between
the lines in both cases
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/dpko/undof.pdf

interestingly the maximum width of undof
of 15 km or so
is at illbsy on mount hermon
& its minimum width
of only a few hundred meters
is at iljosy in the yarmouk valley
but the fact is both these supposed tripoints are
actually trilines that run for some distance

& the de jure illbsy & iljosy tripoints might as well
just be ghosts & historical curiosities

--- aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> yes & happily i can again confirm
> you are again right
> that the shebaa or shabaa etc farms
> tho not far from the old or de jure illbsy tripoint
> actually have nothing whatsoever to do with either
> illbsy tripoint
> whether the de facto or the de jure version
> nor in fact with any tripoint
>
> & i can also confirm for the first time that the
> jordanian island of peace
> whatever it may also be in its own separate right
> is also nowheres near either of these tripoint
> positions
> nor in fact any known tripoint either
>
> the illbsy questions were also addressed in
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15207

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/14705

>
> & for now
> i believe the truest available illbsy is the de
> facto version on the golan heights
> or actually mount hermon
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> >
> > Border Adjustments - Three areas on the border
> between Jordan and Israel
> > necessitated Israeli withdrawals as follows:
> >
> >
> >
> > Out of 381 km2 claimed by Jordan south of the Dead
> Sea since 1949, Israel
> > agreed to hand over 300;
> >
> >
> >
> > In the Naharayim area on the border between Israel
> and Jordan, at the
> > convergence of the Jordan and Yarmuk Rivers,
> Jordan got part of the 5 km2
> > under dispute and turned them into the "island of
> Peace", where meetings
> > between the populations of the parties were to be
> facilitated.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the southern Arava Desert 30 km2 which had been
> reclaimed and fertilized
> > by Israeli kibbutzim over the years, were formally
> returned to Jordanian
> > sovereignty although they remained practically
> under lease in the hands of
> > their Israeli users.
> >
> >
> >
> > Source:
> >
>

http://www.therightroadtopeace.com/infocenter/Heb/R.Israeli-JordanPeaceAgree

> > ment.html
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af Jesper Nielsen
> > Sendt: 27. november 2005 00:26
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in
> Israel
> >
> >
> >
> > So around here somewhere
> >
> >
>

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/09-36-120-3.jpg

> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af Jesper Nielsen
> > Sendt: 27. november 2005 00:19
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in
> Israel
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.gemsinisrael.com/e_article000015747.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af Jesper Nielsen
> > Sendt: 27. november 2005 00:16
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in
> Israel
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

http://www.photozion.com/Stock/pictureitem.asp?picture_cd=AA3293

> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af Jesper Nielsen
> > Sendt: 27. november 2005 00:06
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in
> Israel
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps some of these topos may prove useful.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/israel/israel50k.html

> >
> >
> >
> > Jesper
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af Jesper Nielsen
> > Sendt: 27. november 2005 00:03
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in
> Israel
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you planning to visit the Sheeba Farms, too?
> >
> >
> >
> > Pls see my latest post.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesper
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af Dallen Timothy
> > Sendt: 27. november 2005 00:01
> > Til: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have information about the `Island of
> Peace', which is said to
> > be territorially under the sovereignty of Jordan
> but is located in Israel?
> > It is near the tripoint of Israel, Jordan and
> Syria. I'm heading over there
> > in March and am preparing for my trip by learning
> about these places in
> > detail. I've seen slides from the island but
> wasn't able to grasp the border
> > situation there. Is it truly an enclave? Any
> pictures, articles, or other
> > information would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dallen
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr. Dallen J. Timothy
> >
>

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