The Landkreise? Seems an easy one: CO = Coburg, KC = Kronach, SON =
Sonneberg.
This all without going at
http://www26.mappy.com/sidmMqNWkFZ/1fMn21w/CFGMA?csl=m1&fsl=m1&gsl=m1&msl=m1
&ids=&xsl=1&posl=poi&recherche=0&show_poi=0&poi_rr=0.5&poi_rx=0.6&poi_ry=0.5
&lr=0.5&flash=1&gb=&out=2&wnm1=&wcm1=&nom1=&tnm1=plesten&pcm1=&tcm1=&a10m1=&
ccm1=276&brand=&x=18&y=7
Once I try to access this site, my computer speaks French to me: "Votre
session a expiré. Veuillez rafraichir la page." Napoleon still ruling
Bavaria?
How far did you go NE of Plesten? My map says it's 600 m only from downtown
Plesten to the point of ultimate desire. Or did you think of going 4.5 - 5.5
km ENE? The latter is out of question, as it is out of Sachsen-Coburg, I
think.
Wolfgang
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BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheia kallos
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. November 2005 14:50
An:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint
now looking like de2byth near plesten
bravissimos maestro
& i am reading you blitzen und donner these days
& if i may continue to follow your or really jespers
lead up this fantastic tripoint ascent
then the following hopeful map from mappy even
suggests a target tripoint
almost squarely on the nipple
or maybe it is the kisser
of your lappet
which is looking like a gargoyle of the first water
there btw
http://www26.mappy.com/sidmMqNWkFZ/1fMn21w/CFGMA?csl=m1&fsl=m1&gsl=m1&msl=m1
&ids=&xsl=1&posl=poi&recherche=0&show_poi=0&poi_rr=0.5&poi_rx=0.6&poi_ry=0.5
&lr=0.5&flash=1&gb=&out=2&wnm1=&wcm1=&nom1=&tnm1=plesten&pcm1=&tcm1=&a10m1=&
ccm1=276&brand=&x=18&y=7
or if this map is another bust too hahahaha then
please just zoom yourself to the jurisdictional
tripoint indicated evidently upon byth a hair north of
due east of plesten
where you will even find the convergent subdivisional
line coming in from the correct direction
seeing as coburg & old bavaria are both bavaria
a wild guess but an exciting one
dont you think
& i just wanted to beam it out there even before
learning the true names & diglyphs of the attendant
landkreise
if thats what they are
to finally solve for de2byth3xxyyzz
so anyone bavarian barbarbian philistine or yahoo
enough
please help out if you can & would to pin these
mothers down before i do
& together learn perhaps the true name of our lost
gargoyle of pleisten tripoint
if thats who she really is
& just allow me a few insertions below too before i
post these morning rushes posthaste
--- Wolfgang Schaub
<
Wolfgang.Schaub@...> wrote:
> Thank you for the stimulation. Like always, we just
> need a kick in the ass.
haha not me of course
& you are most welcome
the stimulation is mutual
> Before even consulting the additional maps
> suggested, I agree giving more
> credit to the "Plesten" tripoint alternative, for
> the following reasons:
>
> Looking at the picture
>
http://www.ena.lu/europe/success%20crisis/iron%20curtain%20border%20point%20
> three%20territories%201965.htm we have to imagine an
> arrangement of these
> markers such that their engravings face the
> countries that they stand for.
> This is only possible in a sensible way at the
> Plesten (Eastern) tripoint,
> and it is impossible at the Western tripoint between
> Weitramsdorf and
> Ummerstadt.
good nice
> If we assume the picture is taken towards East, the
> central stone with the
> GO then faces SW, right towards the Coburg portion
> of Sachse-Coburg. The
> left stone with the presumed AL on it is placed in a
> 90-degree angle facing
> NE, looking into the narrow "lobe/lappet/flap" of
> Sachse-Meiningen, and the
> small stone to the right may look anywhere it likes
> as long as it is true
> that it is "only" a marker of the next-best village.
could be barbaria oops i mean bavaria
> Such a setting would
> not be possible at the Western tripoint, even if we
> twist our heads.
nice
> The hypothesis is "supported" by the fact that there
> is a country road going
> from Plesten toward NE that touches the
> Bavaria/Thuringia border precisely
> at the place where the pic may have been taken.
yes & we have a road near my above guess too
tho i am not sure if you mean this road
> Imagining somebody taking
> border pictures in the Cold War this would only have
> been "safe" if you took
> them either from a public road or out of the window
> of your car. Approaching
> the border on foot from the West, across open
> fields, was thrilling if not
> dangerous - again, the "easiest" pic-taking position
> for a journalist was NE
> of Plesten. The Western tripoint is not accessible
> by car.
good
further corroboration we have the right tripoint
> Additional support for the hypothesis is provided by
> the fact that you see
> the border running through the background of the
> picture (the white poles),
> nicely in conformance with my 1: 300,000 road map.
> Well, I also have maps 1
> : 200,000, and quickly making looky-looky on those
> does not produce anything
> in addition, nor to the contrary.
>
> Unfortunately, these bloody markers and poles do not
> throw shadows
> supporting the hypothesis.
>
> Remains the mystery what the stone left in the
> picture wants to tell us. I
> cannot find anything like AL in the Plesten area,
> nor can I find anything on
> the Western tripoint. Apart from abbreviations such
> as "M" for Meiningen one
> may expect on such stones the abbreviation for
> "Herzogtum" = H, so that "HM"
> would make sense to me.
all fine mysteries & good reasons to advance the try
so enough insertions already
but one more
> Now I did something that I better had not done: I
> consulted my
> 24-volume-strong Meyer's Conversation Lexicon for
> the "well-educated
> classes", dated 1890. Over many pages all the nice,
> complex histories of
> those duchies is displayed in all splendour.
> In conclusion, I did not find any clue, only
> complete confusion. I learned
> that Meiningen came to Altenburg in 1660, that there
> was a duchy of
> Gotha-Altenburg from 1707 onwards, and that only in
> 1826 Sachsen-Meiningen
> got the size that it has on the map
> http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/gif/71th_a4.htm . A
> duchy of
> Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha exists only from 1826 onwards.
>
> I did not find an explanation for the fact that
> border stones apparently
> have been set in 1806, a time when Napoleon ruled
> and threw everything up in
> the air. But it wouldn't come as a surprise to me
> anymore learning that in
> 1806 the Coburg part was Gotha and the Meiningen
> "bit" belonged to
> Altenburg.
>
> Finally I tried to attain the ultimate wisdom by
> searching for Plesten in
> the www. Among the 850 or so hits I learned that
> Anna Margaretha Bauersachs,
> descendent of people from Plesten in
> Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha died in Newark,
> New Jersey, in 1906. Sorry, too late, otherwise we
> may have asked her.
>
> I also learned that there was a "Freistaat Coburg"
> from November 1918 to
> July 1, 1920, when the "Freistaat" Bavaria grabbed
> it, omiting a few
> enclaves - something for our enclave freaks to delve
> in.
>
http://www.stadt.coburg.de/dokumente/a-331-staatsvertrag.pdf
> THIS was the moment! - aha - and I had blamed the
> American army for adding
> to the confusion!
>
> We may have it easier if we simply ask the owner of
> the website where the
> pic was taken.
great idea
jesper cwould you
for this or any further info
> Wolfgang
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von
> aletheia kallos
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. November 2005 02:36
> An: boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg
> meinengen tripoint now
> looking like de2byth near plesten
>
>
> wolfgang & or anyone else who is trying to get this
>
> let me try to be clearer because i believe there has
> been a breakthru now
>
> please compare the 2 tricolor tripoints you have
> selected due west & due east of coburg here
> http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/gif/71th_a4.htm
> with the same locations on any modern map of the
> bavaria thuringia state line
> such as hopefully this one if it works or better
>
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/MapCenter/Map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45
>
&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=fal
>
se&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Small&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMa
>
p=germany&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on
>
> but of course preferably use as fine a map as
> possible
> & certainly with modern subdivisional entities &
> their
> borders included if possible
> since they could give just the final clues that are
> needed to identify this as a living tripoint
> if it still is one
>
>
> now the bavaria thuringia border may not be entirely
> the same as the coburg meinengen border
> but these 2 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoints &
> their
> vicinities dont look any different on both those
> borders actually from 1848 to 2005
> so far as i have been able to discern
> & so
> all else being equal
> i agree
> go either east or west from coburg
>
>
> but in fact according to this 1812 map
> http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/gif/p812d_a3_mb.gif
> only the tripoint to the east of coburg is looking
> very likely to have been any kind of a bavaria
> tripoint as early as 1806
>
>
> this location btw appears to be at or very near a
> place called plesten
> with byth again hopefully indicated as a dashed line
> here
>
http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=1243750&Y=6460000&width=7
>
00&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=mercator&db=DE&addr1=&addr2=&add
>
r3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&in.x=6
> &in.y=6&scale=50000
> all too crudely of course
> but thats the rough idea anyway
>
>
> & this may well be virtually qed on jespers pic
> if its caption is not mistaken
>
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