& yes i still dont clearly discern & know
& perhaps you or your native informants can say
if the word mikuni continues to refer to prefectural & all tripoints generally
or if it refers rather more specifically to these historic provincial tripoints
of which only the 19 we have so far identified clearly survive
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> ahh ok then
> i guess i should not have assumed you were aware of
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/17440
> which happily forestalls or retires a lot of this
> possible confusion too
>
> &
> the 2 additional data in your point 3 have been
> gratefully inserted to my summary below it
> where i have also correspondingly increased the
> provincial mikuni total from 17 to 19
>
> --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@o...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks
> >
> > A couple of addtional details/clarifications that
> > might help those
> > interested enough to wade through this
> >
> > 1. >>are or were also provincial tripoint peaks or
> > mikuni<< - I don't think
> > you are intending to imply that "provincial tripoint
> > peaks" and "mikuni" are
> > synonymous - "mikuni" means literally "3 countries"
> > and so can be applied to
> > any tripoint, peak or not I believe.
> >
> > 2. Also, the list you have provided are all of
> > current tripoints. It is the
> > list at <http://www.glin.jp/nam/mikuni.html>
> > http://www.glin.jp/nam/mikuni.html which also
> > contains points that were
> > mikuni in the Edo era but no longer are - see
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18393
> > (where, I notice,
> > it doesn't render the Kanji charactes correctly :(
> > ) for more detailed
> > explanation - and so I don't think the word "were"
> > is needed
> >
> > 3. I have independently cross referenced the list
> > below to the list at
> > <http://www.glin.jp/nam/mikuni.html>
> > http://www.glin.jp/nam/mikuni.html -
> > and there appear to be two omissions in your list
> > below - namely
> >
> > gmnnni > > 10 gumma 26 nagano 29 niigata - is item45
> > sttkyn > > 34 saitama 40 tokyo 46 yamanashi - is
> > item7
> >
> >
> > On your last question "were you aware of being at a
> > provincial tripoint peak
> > or mikuni" I'm not sure what you are trying to get
> > at - sure I was aware of
> > it - that's why I went there in the first place :)
> > But I don't think that is
> > what you really meant - hehehe
> >
> > As I posted in my report, there were a number of
> > signs around indicating it
> > was a "Mikuni" - in fact the hill itself is called
> > "Mikuni Mountain" (in
> > Japanese of course) as you can observe from the
> > signs I photographed. I just
> > noticed that I had not included photos of two
> > additional signs that were at
> > the top of the hill, at the Mikuni point, - my page
> > at
> > http://tinyurl.com/9gzsz has now been updated with
> > these two additional
> > photos. http://tinyurl.com/alw2o is especially
> > detailed. I'm not sure what
> > the other one is saying (maybe "Don't jump off the
> > cliff" - I don't know!!)
> >
> > Hope this helps
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Hugh
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of aletheiak
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:21 PM
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] revised prefectural
> > punctoscopy of japan thanxx
> > again especially to hugh & henry
> >
> >
> > major insertions into previous roundup are fairly
> > obvious from their missing
> > carets
> > tho some other additions & corrections are just
> > quiety added now too
> >
> > > cribbing from the zoomable map links provided by
> > this site in vertical
> > column 6
> > > thanx to henry
> > > http://www.glin.jp/nam/mikuni.html
> > > it looks like as many as 19 of the 44 confirmed
> > & now likely 48
> > total prefectural tripoints
> > > as indicated by the item numbers following their
> > names below
> > > are or were also provincial tripoint peaks or
> > mikuni
> >
> > & look for the 4 maritimes & other key insertions
> > below now too thanx to
> > hugh
> > mostly taken from
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18787
> > which includes various other data too
> >
> > & i should add
> > using the prefectural numbers seemed like a bright
> > idea on the first go
> > round
> > & they have been continued here since i find they do
> > assist identification
> > but if you use them please be careful to notice
> > number 47 okinawa has been
> > inserted as
> > an afterthought between 31 & 32 in the otherwise
> > perfectly alphanumerical
> > series
> > per
> > http://statoids.com/ujp.html
> > who btw is also the trustworthy source for all these
> > diglyphs
> >
> > aigfme > > 1 aichi 9 gifu 23 mie wet per hw
> > aigfnn > > 1 aichi 9 gifu 26 nagano item13
> > ainnsz > > 1 aichi 26 nagano 37 shizuoka wet per hw
> > akaoiw > > 2 akita 3 aomori 16 iwate
> > akiwmg > > 2 akita 16 iwate 24 miyagi
> > akmgyt > > 2 akita 24 miyagi 44 yamagata
> > chibst > > 4 chiba 14 ibaraki 34 saitama wet per hw
> > chsttk > > 4 chiba 35 saitama 40 tokyo wet possibly
> > ehhskg maritime 5 ehime 11 hiroshima 17 kagawa
> > ehhsyc maritime 5 ehime 11 hiroshima 45 yamaguchi
> > ehkgts > > 5 ehime 17 kagawa 39 tokushima wet
> > possibly
> > ehkcts > > 5 ehime 20 kochi 39 tokushima item34
> > figfis > > 6 fukui 9 gifu 15 ishikawa
> > figfsh > > 6 fukui 9 gifu 35 shiga item16
> > fikysh > > 6 fukui 22 kyoto 36 shiga item19
> > fokmot > > 7 fukuoka 21 kumamoto 30 oita item35
> > fsgmni > > 8 fukushima 10 gumma 29 niigata damp per
> > hw
> > fsgmtc > > 8 fukushima 10 gumma 38 tochigi
> > fsibtc > > 8 fukushima 14 ibaraki 38 tochigi class e
> > fsmgyt > > 8 fukushima 24 miyagi 44 yamagata
> > fsniyt > > 8 fukushima 29 niigata 44 yamagata item3
> > gfisty > > 9 gifu 15 ishikawa 42 toyama
> > gfmesh > > 9 gifu 23 mie 35 shiga item17
> > gfnnty > > 9 gifu 26 nagano 42 toyama item11
> > gmnnni > > 10 gumma 26 nagano 29 niigata item45
> > gmnnst > > 10 gumma 26 nagano 34 saitama item5
> > gmsttc > > 10 gumma 34 saitama 38 tochigi class e
> > hskgoy maritime 11 hiroshima 17 kagawa 33 okayama
> > hsoytt > > 11 hiroshima 31 okayama 41 tottori item31
> > hssmtt > > 11 hiroshima 36 shimane 41 tottori item30
> > hssmyc > > 11 hiroshima 36 shimane 45 yamaguchi mt
> > kammuri 1339m
> > hgkgoy maritime 13 hyogo 17 kagawa 31 okayama
> > hgkyos > > 13 hyogo 22 kyoto 32 osaka
> > hgoytt > > 13 hyogo 31 okayama 41 tottori
> > ibsttc > > 14 ibaraki 34 saitama 38 tochigi wet
> > class d
> > kskmmz > > 18 kagoshima 21 kumamoto 25 miyazaki
> > knszyn > > 19 kanagawa 37 shizuoka 46 yamanashi
> > item8 class a
> > kntkyn > > 19 kanagawa 40 tokyo 46 yamanashi item7
> > kmmzot > > 21 kumamoto 25 miyazaki 30 oita
> > kymenr > > 22 kyoto 23 mie 28 nara class e
> > kymesh > > 22 kyoto 23 mie 35 shiga item21
> > kynros > > 22 kyoto 28 nara 32 osaka
> > menrwk > > 23 mie 28 nara 43 wakayama wet possibly
> > nnnity > > 26 nagano 29 niigata 42 toyama item4
> > nnstyn > > 26 nagano 34 saitama 46 yamanashi item6
> > nnszyn > > 26 nagano 37 shizuoka 46 yamanashi item10
> > nroswk > > 28 nara 32 osaka 43 wakayama
> > sttkyn > > 34 saitama 40 tokyo 46 yamanashi item7
> >
> > > for the distinction between prefectures &
> > provinces
> > > http://www.answers.com/topic/provinces-of-japan
> >
> >
> > & an afterthought question for hugh
> >
> > when you visited knszyn
> > were you aware of being at a provincial tripoint
> > peak or mikuni
> > per item 8
> >
> > this fact alone could explain why you found the rock
> > there & not say at
> > kymenr or gmsttc
> > & suggests we may find no fewer but also no more
> > than 16 additional rocks at
> > the 16
> > remaining mikuni points
> >
> >
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