thanx i immediately understood or even anticipated all
this
as i had already dropped my class d guess myself last
night
as soon as i realized there just isnt enough parallax
between the 2 long views to support it
while i am not at all surprised to find our 922 tower
guesses & all your other data confirmations
do match up with mine so perfectly
so yes i do very much see & agree now
the tripoint will be found way closer to the
nonviewing tower than my imagined marker
& at something very much more on the order of only 2
degrees to the left of that tower
rather than 20 degrees
oops
hahahaha
in fact almost closer to its base than is its own apex
but so much the more likely obscured rather than
highlighted by veggies
& thus elusive after all
but i would love to walk those last 100 or so steps
up
the communications tower first btw
even if only just for the previewing of the tripoint &
immediate triarea
for this tower
rather than your viewing tower properly so called
could well prove to be the worlds most magnificent
tripoint viewing tower
& to climb those steps btw not only for that obvious
reason
but also to at least address & relish the probability
in that tower
of reaching some absolutely true
rather than conveniently compromised & moderated
altitudinal extremity
of some real place perhaps
even if not a whole prefecture
& conceivably even of 2 real places at once
in view of its ridge line borderline location
& even if actually shimmying up to the very top of the
tower proves impossible
or even if the altitude of the top of the peak tower
proves higher
albeit luckily higher in both those places at once
also
hahaha
for happily too it looks like a close call between
these state line tower tops for the altimeters
& i am also pleased to add to your overall analysis
that my admittedly still crude & preliminary
punctoscopy of the prefectural tripoints of japan
suggests that as many as 36 of the probably 44 of them
in all are in fact dry
so we have many more prospective markers to at least
try for
in fact japan is looking almost as good in this regard
as the berkshire county town tripoints
where i am still at least expecting & hoping for all
44 markers out of all 44 tripoints
but of course every try is its own reward too
whether wet dry marked unmarked or even known at all
& i very much enjoyed & appreciated all 5 of yours
here in its & their own right too
--- Hugh Wallis <
hugh@...> wrote:
> OK - let me try to set the stage a bit better.
>
> The tower you see in my photograph is not a viewing
> tower as far as I can
> tell - it looks more like a communications tower. My
> photo was taken from
> the top of the viewing tower which is what I paid
> 100 yen (which is only
> about CDN 1.00) to go up and which is the white
> tower pictured on the right
> hand side of the ticket.
>
> The radio tower is the taller of the two towers but
> lower down as you
> surmise and is approximately at the point on the map
> marked with a spot
> height of 922m I would guess. The viewing tower is
> approximately at the
> point on the map marked as a trig point (with a
> triangle) - about 100m from
> the geocache. My GPSr indicated that the tripoint
> was approximately 800m
> from the viewing tower in the direction of the radio
> tower. From the map I
> conclude that it is beyond the radio tower.
>
> I see the white post you refer to but, from the
> above analysis and the map I
> would think this is unlikely to be the tripoint
> marker since it seems to be
> too far to the left to my thinking.
>
> From my observations at the four dry tries I made
> (and, indeed, the wet one)
> I conclude at this stage that boundary and tripoint
> marking is sporadic in
> Japan. Some of the markers I photographed (the stone
> ones) appear to be
> older, some newer, and some (the plastic ones which
> are very firmly embedded
> in the ground, by the way - I did try tugging on
> them) very new indeed,
> possibly recently surveyed for specfic reasons such
> as the construction of
> the golf course etc. It is also instructive that in
> the area of
> Kanagawa-Shizuoka-Yamanashi, the only border markers
> I could locate were
> those on the Kanagawa-Yamanashi and the
> Shizuoka-Kanagawa borders - the
> Shizuoka-Yamanashi border did not appear to be
> marked, providing further
> evidence for my supposition.
>
> In summary - I don't think that all dry tripoints in
> Japan are physically
> marked on the ground.
>
> Cheers
>
> Hugh
>
> _____
>
> From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of aletheiak
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:19 PM
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese
> Tripoints
>
>
> now hugh about fsibtc again
> at the bottom of http://tinyurl.com/9gzsz
> i have still not been able to get completely clear
>
> you say there is a viewing tower at the top of the
> mountain
> & you show 2 towers
> either one of which could conceivably be the one you
> mean
>
> but then i also would have just guessed you
> photographed the taller but
> apparently lower
> tower from the shorter but apparently higher one
> that is
> until i saw the 100 yen price tag on the latter
>
> &
> the slight difference between the 2 viewing angles
> of this taller lower
> tower also suggests
> you may have taken your magnificent panoramic
> atmospheric photo of it not
> from the
> actual summit & small tower & geocache point
> necessarily at all
> like the other one
> if indeed they were all 3 of them at this singular
> mountaintop location
> as perhaps hinted by you & the gcm5pp dot & or
> nearby triangle on your map
> swatch
> but rather
> from perhaps much closer to the bottom center of
> this map swatch
> i would guess
> where you also evidently passed
>
> & i have guessed this
> as well as provisionally placed the tall tower on
> the elevation point
> indicated as 922 on the
> map swatch
> just for lack of anything more definitive to go on
> which perhaps you can still provide in correction
>
> & then
> continuing hypothetically by measuring the viewing
> angle toward the tripoint
> at about 20
> degrees left of the centered tower based on all the
> above surmises
> lo & behold
> what do i see there in plain view but a tall thin
> white post
> in a light brown patch set off by a dark green
> background
> at roughly kilometric range
> about midway between the tower & the power pole line
> cum perhaps roadway to
> its left
>
> but do you follow any of this or
> more importantly
> do you
> s e e
> in your pic the object i am talking about
>
> for thats a clear class d guess
> rather than some impossibly elusive class e hope
>
> or has my imagination run away from us already
>
>
> but anyway
> while you are mulling & or laughing over that
> a perhaps bigger question
> now that we have had serious tries at so many as 4
> dry ones
> is
> do you imagine they are all in fact marked
> with some just being more elusive than others for
> various reasons
> or do you suppose they are indifferently &
> haphazardly marked as chance
> would have it
>
> in other words
> given sufficient time & care & luck etc
> from all youve seen & been able to learn for sure as
> well as just guess
> do you think you would have bagged all 4 of these
> class a
> just like you surely did with knszyn
> & that we can therefore still expect or hope there
> are as many marked
> prefectural tripoints
> in japan as there are dry ones
>
> or is it still too soon to hazard any such
> generalization
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Wallis"
> <hugh@o...> wrote:
> >
> > Report is now available at
> >
>
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/Japan_2005-11-12_to_2005-11-1
> > 4/ - a.k.a. http://tinyurl.com/9gzsz
> >
> > This covers my visits to:
> >
> > Kyoto-Mie-Nara
> > Kanagawa-Shizuoka-Yamanashi
> >
> > and
> >
> > Ibaraki -Fukushima-Tochigi
> >
> > Enjoy
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Hugh
> >
>
>
>
>
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