thanx again richard
& i didnt mean to space this out in all the recent excitement
but i have fairly positively identified your tokmansu pass
as the tegermensu pass that is shown on the first of the soviet topos linked below
in view of its nearly perfect match to your name
& to your geocoords at least within minutes
& to your elevation give or take 70 meters
also found your south vakanki pass btw on the other of these topos
written as south vakhdzhir pass in russian
hence presumably also the same as south wakhjir pass or daban in the english version of
the treaty
for whatever that may be worth
but tokmansu is the one that is situated only a couple of km down the afcn ridge line from
the afcntj tripoint near the summit of mount povalo shveikovski
hence likely the most viable access route to the tripoint itself
making it well worth our mutual effort to have ascertained
also i gather from your remarks that the chinese text is just as confusing as the english
text is in specifying the peaks or summits of mountains for the afcntj & afcnpk tripoints
while clearly placing these points on the mustagh ridge line well below these summits
perhaps english & chinese both allow a peak to be more than just a summit point
& to include the entire neighborhood of the summit point
or even the entire mountain
or perhaps there is something wrong with the treaty language in all languages
but anyway i would agree that the question of whether these tripoints are marked is still
not conclusively resolved
& at least the cntj convergent to afcntj is believed to not be marked at all yet per
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ti.html#Issues
& the cnpk convergent to afcnpk was looking likely to have been marked as of
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/16547
as you suggest in the end also
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Lam" <richardlam11@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Pls see my inserts in blue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aletheia kallos
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] China - Afghanistan
>
>
> & the english version beginning on page 3 here
> http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS089.pdf
> mentions there are also maps that show the marker
> positions too
> I was unable to access the link, but yes the original Chinese and the Afghan versions of
the treaty would have included maps.
>
> but since you mention 4 of the 5 markers are at passes
> & the soviet topos show 5 named passes in all
> http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/tajikistan/100k/10-43-102.jpg
> http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/tajikistan/100k/10-43-101.jpg
> tho not necessarily either of the 2 you named
> & since i think you mentioned as many as 7 passes in
> an earlier post
> i have to wonder where the fifth marker might be
> if not at the 5th pass
> or some other unknown pass
>
> According to the Afghan version, marker 5 is at Tokmansu pass 74.52.45E 37.13.25N
at altitude 5210metres, so unlikely to be at the tripoint with Tajikistan. Marker 1 is
situated at the foot of south Vakanki pass 74.29.12E 37.05.54N at altitude 4861 metres. It
was already mentioned that the tripoint with Pakistan is on top of a mountain summit, so
not likely to be marked by China - Afghan either. However, there is nothing against
Pakistan or Tajikistan marking the tripoints in seperate treaties with China or Afghanistan.
>
> perhaps at a tripoint
>
> so from either of these detailed descriptions or by
> whatever means
> can you or anyone confirm if either of the afcnpk or
> afcntj tripoints is actually marked
> whether by any of these 5 or any other markers