Thanks, Mike, for the specifics on the Mexican Federal Zone. I intentionally
left the vagaries vague in my description because I didn't know the exact
measurements specified in the applicable laws.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a
tripoint ..., etc.
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...> wrote:
>
>> The tripoint perspective of the human cannonball
>> story relates (vaguely) to the
>> fact that the several states of the Mexican union
>> stop somewhere around or
>> slightly above the high-water mark on the coasts.
>
> thanx for answering this so well in general
> tho it is not at all vaguely but precisely 20 meters
> above the visible high tide line where the nominally
> coastal mexican states end
>
> nor are the beaches merely theoretically but actually
> federal territory
> no less than any other federal maritime zones or
> federal capital districts etc anywhere
>
> consider for example this quick explanation
> http://www.bajaexpo.com/beachaccess.htm
> but particularly article 27 of the mexican
> constitution
> & the voluminous 1991 legislation specifically
> authorizing this littoral extension of the federal
> maritime zone
>
> in the united states the federal maritime zone doesnt
> kick in til 3 nautical miles or more offshore
> while in canada it reaches all the way inshore to the
> low tide line
> but in mexico it comes in & rises with the tide as
> well
> so to say
> & then extends an additional 20 horizontal meters
> inland
>
> but all 3 types are equally federal zones
>
> more below
>
>> Thus, wave-swept Mexican
>> beaches theoretically are under jurisdiction that is
>> exclusively federal. This
>> creates a tripoint (of sorts) between the USA, the
>> Estado de Baja California,
>> and Mexican federal territory near the trajectory of
>> the human cannonballer.
>
> some common names for these
> sorts
> of tripoint
> are federal or federative & or split level tripoints
>
> internal american examples include the 2 well known
> district of columbia tristate points formed with
> maryland & virginia
> namely dcmdvan & dcmdvas
> & our 20 somewhat less famous but entirely similar
> federal waters tripoints
> namely alflus et al
>
> the folks who dont consider these sorts truly & fully
> tristate points simply choose to ignore the fact that
> the united states is a state too
>
> as are canada & mexico
>
>> The relative significance of such a tripoint in the
>> grand scheme of things might
>> be subject to question, but some BoundaryPoint
>> members have never met a tripoint
>> that they didn't love.
>
> question & love yes
>
> but mxus2bccamx is impartially the fully illustrious
> mexican american international tripoint of the states
> of baja california & regular or alta california with
> the nation state of mexico
> & there is every reason to hope that this man was
> flying directly over it
>
> & noticing such rare things as this is a big part of
> the stated purpose of our group
> & of what makes it so much fun imo
>
>> The main functional difference between the
>> BoundaryPoint and BorderPoint groups
>> is the atmosphere that sometimes prevails in each.
>
> hahaha
> whattt
>
> more punctilious here
> more relaxed there
>
> perhaps
>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jimvandura" <jimvandura@...>
>> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:27 AM
>> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known
>> legal entry into usa at a
>> tripoint ..., etc.
>>
>>
>> > Hi! I am new here, and on the borderpoint list. So
>> maybe that's why I don't
>> > see how this
>> > human cannonball can be flying over a tripoint.
>> What kind of a tripoint would
>> > this be? I see
>> > the boundary all right but I don't get the
>> (tri)point! (Does it have something
>> > to do with the
>> > vertical extension of sovereignty ... ?)
>
> & a hearty welcome to you jimmy
>
> the vertical extension aspect is purely extraneous &
> gratuitous in relation to the multipointing generally
> except in a rare case such as this
> where the man really does appear to be flying directly
> over the tripoint
> as well as anyone can tell
>
> end inserts
>
>> > Also, yesterday we mentioned some local
>> Spanish tripoints on the
>> > borderpoint list, and
>> > today some of the same people from there have been
>> discussing international
>> > borders
>> > here on the BoundaryPoint list. I don't get this
>> either. The group blurbs led
>> > me to expect
>> > just the opposite!
>> > Would someone please explain what is going on?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jimmy
>> >
>> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia
>> kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>> >> http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/31869.html
>> >> human cannonball overflight photo looks to be
>> more or
>> >> less exactly where the mexican federal maritime &
>> >> littoral territory ends & baja california state
>> >> territory begins
>> >> just on the mexican side of the fence
>> >> exactly 20 meters above the high tide line
>> >> as i recall
>> >>
>> >> & notice too how the new seawall construction
>> last
>> >> heard from in
>> >>
>>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18084
>> >> seems to be progressing
>> >> or may even have been completed already
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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