thanx
several good points
land is indeed not the same as water
but all territory
be it land or water or variable on the surface
is solid land at base
in fact earlier discussions have entertained 3
distinct modalities of everyones land
namely
everyones land proper &
everyones water &
everyones ice
& i would add now on further reflection that because
everyones ice occurs upon both everyones land &
everyones water
there are thus perhaps really only 2 fundamental
modalities
namely
wet or liquid
& dry or solid
or else
there may be as many as 4 or more modalities
namely
wet
dry
wet icy
dry icy
& variously variable
any or all of which however can for convenience be
subsumed under the single rubric & indeed the single
nationhood of
everyones land
& we have been designating all of it in just this way
for some time
i think because there is probably no better or truer
name available for it when considered all together
& it includes de jure not only all of antarctica but
all land & seas south of 60 degrees south latitude
since 1959
as well as all high seas everywhere
since i think 1973 or 1981
but probably numerous other specks of unclaimed dry
land & rocks north of 60slat
& perhaps various other legally uncertain &
traditional no mans lands on continents other than
antarctica as well
& indeed there is nothing at all wrong & everything
right with the term high seas
so long as one realizes that these are in every case
situated within & or on top of our beloved greater
everyones land
& that their true nationality & sovereignty is always
everyonese
admittedly this is perhaps more credit than they are
usually given by law
the united nations for example consider the high seas
to be a human heritage area under united nations
trusteeship
per unlos
while they confer some of our sovereign rights away to
adjacent states for up to 197nm & even beyond where
continental shelves protrude beyond standard eezs
but they are only the united nations
of which everyones land is after all not a member
the everyonese view is that there is more than just
the united nations
& that in fact everything & not just everyones land
belongs to everyone & not just to the countries of the
world
because the world is in fact equally free for all
--- "Lowell G. McManus" <
mcmanus71496@...> wrote:
> While I understand the concept of your "everyones
> land," I think it
> inappropriate to apply the term "land" to what is
> not land, but rather sea. The
> largest true Everyone's LAND would be part (or all)
> of Antarctica (depending on
> who you choose to believe)--and about a quarter of
> Antarctica is doubtfully
> land, really just a solid sea, the ice-earth
> interface being well below sea
> level. (Somehow, an iceberg sitting on the sea
> bottom never quite qualified as
> land in my view.)
>
> So, what is wrong with the age-old and widely
> accepted term "high seas"?
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA
> Maritime Boundaries
>
>
> > but just to at least consider the multipoints
> implied
> > by your offering
> > i believe there are 4 in all
> > or 1 tripoint upon each of your 4 cygb maritime
> > projections
> > situated 3nm seaward from their respective coastal
> > baseline points
> >
> > & these are specifically the points where british
> > sovereign seas & cyprian sovereign seas meet the
> high
> > seas or everyonese sovereign seas if you will
> > either still only putatively or already legally
> > tho i am not sure which
> >
> > & these tripoints in bp code
> > adopting el for everyones land or high seas
> > while invoking the blessings of our iso guardians
> for
> > doing so
> > might each be expressed as cyelgb
> >
> > but then how to distinguish among them
> >
> > i would suggest
> > reading from left to right
> > either
> > cyelgbww cyelgbwe cyelgbew cyelgbee
> > or if that is too confusing then
> > cyelgb1 cyelgb2 cyelgb3 cyelgb4
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:
> >
> >> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A.
> >> Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> >> > I just posted in "photos" a smalll version of
> the
> >> map of the nautical
> >> > boundaries that the US State Department created
> >> according to input
> >> > from the British, after DoS was unable to get
> the
> >> map attached to the
> >> > treaty.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone who would like the large scan can ask
> >> off-line.
> >> >
> >> > It is clear that the eastern SBA forms a closed
> >> area - the E & W
> >> > borders meet about 32 nautical miles off shore
> >> (within which there are
> >> > international waters eliminating any chance of
> the
> >> area being an
> >> > enclave or an exclave. The British claim 3
> miles
> >> of sovereign
> >> > territory off shore under existing treaties to
> >> which the British
> >> > subscribe, and the Cypriots claim 12.
> >> >
> >> > With the SBA also comprised of a pumping
> station
> >> or whatever it is,
> >> > the sea boundaries would be incomplete, unless
> the
> >> pumping station on
> >> > the coast has no maritime component (and is
> >> therefore enclaved). Can
> >> > anyone help with that?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > LN
> >>
> >> yes
> >> as you have somewhat correctly recalled
> >> the power station was believed to have no
> maritime
> >> component when last reported
> >>
> >
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2158
> >>
> >> but also
> >> beyond the claimed territorial seas of 3nm & 12nm
> >> from coastal baselines respectively
> >> the boundaries shown on your map were purely
> >> hypothetical
> >> as was explained in its accompanying source
> document
> >>
> >
>
http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/ls049.pdf
> >> & they most probably still are
> >>
> >> so here again it is only your idea of what is
> clear
> >> that is confused
> >>
> >>
> >> assumptive reasoning
> >> while sometimes very useful
> >> can if carelessly applied actually erode clarity
> >>
> >>
> >> no multipoints however were injured or even
> >> considered in the making of these messages
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