Subject: Re: Jungholz
Date: Mar 15, 2001 @ 17:49
Author: peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
> i have been toying with a different approach to this question
>
>
> clearly countries are 3 dimensional objects & are therefore real
> or what i would rather call apparently real
>
> their territorial areas are 2 dimensional forms & purely
representational
> of this reality or apparent reality
> tho they do enjoy a sort of subsidiary apparent reality because
everyone
> believes they are real too
>
> their boundaries are the 1 dimensional cracks enclosing &
separating their
> purely representational forms & are thus a further abstraction &
therefore
> at least doubly remote from being apparently real
>
> & finally their most curious & frankly suspicious effect
> namely their tripoints & other multipoints
> are the zero dimensional holes between the cracks between the
> representations of apparent reality
> & so these are relatively the most apparently unreal of all
> or if you prefer absolutely apparently unreal
> or at least somehow well beyond what we normally call real
>
> & so everyone will tell you
> well these points dont really exist
> & it is a remarkable paradox you will just have to eat
>
>
> boundary cross points by contrast do actually leave this world
momentarily
> like an electrical spark somehow jumping out of its insulation
>
> so these rarest & most suspicious phenomena are beyond beyond if
you will
> having a dimensionality that might be expressed however implausibly
as
> minus 1
>
>
>
> now it is my guess that one reason why we are all so fascinated by
> boundaries is that we intuitively recognize them as cracks in normal
> apparent reality
> & therefore as openings into nonnormal reality
> & moreover some of us are even more nuts about the tripoints in
particular
> because we can recognize them for the absolutely brilliant hot
spots in
> reality that they are
>
> like they really shouldnt ought to exist somehow
> but somehow they almost do manage to pull it off
>
> they are nearly but not quite physical openings into nonphysical
reality
>
> manmade but still natural white holes in the fabric of continuity
>
> in short they are openings into the absolute
> the totality
> all that is
> which in reality we ourselves also are
> but we just usually cant see this very well from where we are
>
> so the point & the pointer are one because all is one
> & it is you yourself who are holding austria together
> as well as germany together
> as well as yourself & indeed all that is together
> when you focus on that funny little point
>
> & it is only because the world is really upside down that reality
seems
> like illusion & illusion seems like reality
>
> in real absolute reality there are no countries nor territories nor
> boundaries nor even any points
> & the world is equally free for all
>
> in that reality there is only inner being
> comprising thought & feeling & sensation
> of which it is all one gigantic condo
> which i would & do seriously call everyones land
>
>
> so it seems to me that multi pointing or even just try pointing is
a very
> effective way of challenging & freeing oneself from all the
delusions of
> individuated physical reality
>
> & a crossing point on a mountain top or in a cornfield or forest
> or even just any old monster rock or quintipoint
> or whatever other marvel works for you
> might provide a particularly good opportunity & spot to do that
>
> m
>
>
>
> >
> >>Jungholz is connected to the rest of Austria by a single point.
That is
> >>alrady established.
> >>
> >>On the other hand Germany is also connected with herself at that
point.
> >>Right?
> >
> >Right
> >
> >
> >So if Germany is connected is then Jungholz disconnected ie an
enclave?
> >>
> >No. BOTH are connected there, and yet both disconnected. That is
why single
> >points are called singularities, because they are truly singular!
> >
> >
> >>Who owns the point?
> >BOTH
> >
> >
> >No man's land or a condominium? If point is a no man's land then
Jungholz is
> >a fragtment (as it is touched by no man's land and Germany).
> >>
> >>If condominium then Jungholz is also a fragtment as it is touched
by
> >>Germany/Austria and Austria!
> >
> >It is 100% surrounded by Germany, and at the same time is not
disconnected
> >fomr Austria.
> >It is not a fragment, or an enclave as it is not disconnected.
> >
> >Let's take another exmaple. On the Dutch-German border, the border
must be a
> >string of points. Who owns them? If Germany owns them, then the
border is
> >the NEXt set of points to the west. And vice versa if Holland owns
them.
> >If neither own them then Germany does not border Holland, it
borders a
> >neutral zone and you have to ask what about the points along THAT
border...
> >A border is an infinitely thin line, but it must be a point. It
must exist.
> >It is not the gap between a German point and a Dutch point.
Because if there
> >is a gap, there must be ap oint to fill it.
> >For every point m and n, where n>m, there exists a point p such
that m<p<n.
> >Ad infinitum.
> >We get into mathematics here. It's beutiful. Even if you were only
as wide
> >as a single point, you could not get to Jungholz fomr austrai
without
> >violating German sovereignty (which is probably not a wise thing
to do ;)
> >).
> >And vice versa for crossing the point from Germany to Germany.
> >Even more so for objects in the real world that DO have width.
> >
> >So while Jungholz cannot access austrai without violating Germn
soil, yet at
> >the same time Germans cannot encircle Jungholz without leaving
Germany and
> >violating Austria.
> >
> >It's a paradox!
> >
> >It's a frozen snapshot of that instant in time when two waterdrops
join to
> >one, or one splits into two. It is quite remarkable.
> >
> >B