Mike,
I'd like to have you briefly expound on the true head of the Altamaha River, if
you have ascertained it by any sawanobori on maps.
The pertinent wording of the first Georgia charter of 1732 (per BUS&SS) is:
"...from the most northern part of a stream or river there, commonly called the
Savannah, all along the sea coast to the southward, unto the most southern
stream of a certain other great water or river called the Altamaha, and westerly
from the heads of the said rivers, respectively, in direct lines to the south
seas..."
Note that we need the Altamaha's HEAD, not it's "southernmost source." It is my
interpretation that the words "most southern stream" in the charter refer to the
southernmost of its several MOUTHS among the Sea Islands as one comes "along the
sea coast to the southward."
Thanks.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] huge but forgotten ghost clave rediscovered
1732gb2sc1763
>
> it is well known that south carolina once believed she
> owned a long narrow stripe of western lands that
> extended her territory by half again its present
> breadth
> & indeed all the way to the mississippi river
> across more than 400 miles of what is now just the
> northernmost few leagues of georgia & alabama &
> mississippi
>
> & the reason this is so well known is that she ceded
> these lands to the federal government in 1787
> by a comical mistake due to geographic ignorance
> for tho she had as recently as 1763 really owned more
> western lands than any other colony at the time
> she actually had none at all left to give away by 1787
> & should rather have considered herself one of the 7
> original short stripe states from the start
> rather than a 7th original long stripe state
>
> & as luck would have it
> the american flag has evolved in such a way that it
> does correctly symbolize the 6 true original
> long stripe states
> or western land ceding
> states
> by the 6 long stripes
> &
> the 7 true original
> short stripe states
> or nonceding states
> including sc
> by the 7 short stripes
>
> can you imagine if the stars & stripes had had to have
> their red 7th or middle stripe as an additional long
> stripe running beneath the starry field
> instead of the short stripe this flag has almost
> always officially kept in the middle position to the
> right of the starry field
>
> but fortunately south carolina only wanted to be
> yet never really was
> a long stripe state
>
> & btw
> in case you have ever wondered exactly which stripes
> symbolize which states
> then i think we can say with confidence
> proceeding from top to bottom
> & of course factoring in their rank of admission to
> the union also
> first the 7 short upper stripes
> de pa nj md sc nh ri
> followed by the 6 long lower ones
> ga ct ma va ny nc
>
> & of course the 50 stars can be similarly identified
> but thats a lot easier & more straightforward
>
> for example the lone star state star is the 28th
> or the one keeping closest company with & in fact just
> to the left of the 4th short or md stripe
>
> but yikes i digress even from my digression
>
> for what has been almost if not completely forgotten
> is that sc once really did have not only western but
> also southern lands of enormous extent
> & all of them contiguous til 1732
> when some were cut out from the middle
> & most thus became a large exclave of the small
> remaining metropole we recognize today as sc
> til their own extinction in 1763
>
> & here is how it all happened
>
> the carolina charter of 1665 extended that province
> westward as far as the pacific & southward as far as
> the 29th parallel
>
> today this includes the northern half of florida
> plus most of the rest of the old south & southwest
> & indeed about a fifth of mexico
>
> at that time carolina outstripped even virginia as
> largest province
>
> & when the nc sc division was created in 1729
> sc then inherited title to all this southern part of
> carolina
> which was in fact the lions share of it
> & probably still the largest province
> since va had by then lost much of her north too
>
> when georgia was chartered in 1732
> overriding the part of south carolina that lay between
> the savannah & altamaha rivers
> as well as everywhere westward to the pacific between
> the latitudes of their respective northernmost &
> southernmost sources
> sc was thus left in possession of a legal exclave
>
> & this transcontinental exclave remained legally in
> effect everywhere west of the altamaha & of the
> seacoast to its south
> as far as the 29th parallel
>
> in other words it extended to the pacific from a
> northeast extremity around atlanta & a southeast
> extremity around daytona beach
> tho it is true that the spanish had an overlapping &
> better claim to all of florida & mexico
> & the french a similarly overlapping & better claim to
> all of louisiana
>
> but when the esfrgb tripartite treaty of paris
> on 10 feb 1763
> extinguished british claims west of the mississippi
> as well as spanish claims south of the 31st parallel
> eastward of the mississipi & new orleans
> the sc ghost exclave accordingly contracted in the
> west from the pacific back to the mississippi
> but was no longer overlapped in the east by the
> spanish claim to florida
>
> thus sc regained undisputed title to most of formerly
> spanish florida & retained most of what would become
> ga & al & ms
> at least for 3 months or so anyway
> until the board of trade enjoined her on 30 may 1763
> from selling land beyond the altamaha
>
> moreover the british government by 2 different acts of
> 7 oct 1763 then created the provinces of east & west
> florida
> on the one hand
> which extinguished all sc claim south of the 31st
> parallel
> & on the other hand
> added to georgia the territory west & south of the
> altamaha
> as far south as florida & as far west as the
> mississippi
> thus closing out the last of the sc clave territory
>
> all in a few swift strokes within 8 months
>
> but for 3 decades sc had a clave that included all of
> interstate 10 from coast to coast
> & generally hundreds of miles north & south of it
>
>
>
>
>
>
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