Subject: Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
Date: Mar 14, 2005 @ 17:50
Author: Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
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Kevin:
The Oklahoma panhandle is more or less the 103rd meredian (although
the tristate marker is off by a few feet as Altheia noted). The
photos on my page are from a trip with Jack Parsell taken during the
2002 Highpointers Convention. There's a whole bunch of benchmarks
nearby (including one I believe further west at the meredian). I
should have taken more pictures but I didn't realize how interesting
this topic would become. This topic may have been discussed in this
group earlier but I couldn't easily find it since Yahoo has limited
the search capability.

Roger.

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@r...>
wrote:
> The reason nmtx then turns east at the northern line of tx for
three miles
> until it reaches the ok n/s line is that north of tx, the 103rd
meridian is
> the ok panhandle west line. Yes?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lowell G. McManus [mailto:mcmanus71496@m...]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:31 PM
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl"
with
> > NM over land
> >
> >
> >
> > By even considering any suit on this issue, New Mexico is
> > engaging in a total
> > waste of time, money, and breath. The reasons go far beyond
> > the doctrine that
> > long-unchallenged boundaries usually stand.
> >
> > The State of Texas sold the land west and north of its
> > current boundaries to the
> > United States in 1850, and surveys were done by John H. Clark
> > in 1859 and 1860.
> > His work was officially accepted by both Texas and the feds.
> > Since that was
> > long before the existence of New Mexico, that settles it.
> > Furthermore, a joint
> > resolution of the Congress dated February 16, 1911,
> > proclaimed "these boundary
> > lines as run and marked by John H. Clark in 1859-60 shall
> > remain the true
> > boundary lines of Texas and New Mexico." Another joint
> > resolution of August 21,
> > 1911, required the proposed state of New Mexico to accept these
Texas
> > boundaries. When New Mexico's statehood was effective
> > January 6, 1912, it got
> > the land to which it was entitled. The federal government
> > had no land east and
> > south of Clark's lines to give it.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@a...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:40 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl"
> > with NM over land
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have an article with several links on my americasroof
> > blog on this:
> > >
> > http://americasroof.com/wp/archives/2005/03/13/new-mexico-sues-
texas/
> > >
> > > The upshot is that New Mexico's own fiscal analysis of this
bill to
> > > claim land 3 miles east of the current border to the 103rd
meridian
> > > would probably be considered frivolous since the Courts have
ruled
> > > that if a state border goes unchallenged for "a long course
> > of years"
> > > then it becomes the defacto border. Texas permitted New Mexico
to
> > > enter the Union in 1912 on condition of dropping the claim.
> > > Ironically though the Oklahoma, New Mexico, Texas tripoint
> > jogs in to
> > > the meridian.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > >> The Commissioner of the General Land Office of the State of
Texas
> > > has proposed a
> > >> "free-for-all brawl" between the Senates of the two states
over the
> > > lost land
> > >> that New Mexico is griping about.
> > >>
> > >> See the third of three subtopics in the article at
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6mb7d .
> > >>
> > >> Lowell G. McManus
> > >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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