Subject: europe v siberia was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
Date: Feb 27, 2005 @ 22:22
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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> When you talk of "Siberia", are you aware that in Russianminds Siberia does
> NOT extend to the Pacific? That province is called Far East. So,from a
> political point-of-view there is no Siberian peninsula. Just toconfuse the
> matter even more...and malmedy
>
> Wolfgang
>
> (hahahaha)
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: aletheia kallos [mailto:aletheiak@y...]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Februar 2005 21:08
> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: europe v siberia was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen
>of Service.
>
> since the best available opinion on the true extent of
> the siberian peninsula is still not yet available
> i have contented myself for the moment with getting
> the best available opinion on the true extent of
> siberia per se
> or greater siberia if you will
> thinking that with this data in hand i myself could
> then serve in the capacity of the absent minded
> professor interpolator of the true geographic extent
> of the true siberian peninsula within a greater best
> available siberia
> just as the peninsula professor has interpolated the
> true geographic extent of the european peninsula
> within a greater best available europe
>
> & it just so happens that the same best available
> opinion that says greater europe begins & ends at the
> ural mountains also says that greater siberia begins &
> ends at the ural mountains too
> hahahahaha
> so europe & siberia are actually not only neighbors &
> classmates but are actually squared off back to back
> in this duel for second place silver in our old world
> peninsular olympics
>
> & tho some if not all the best sources say siberia
> extends into kazakhstan a bit
> all at least agree siberia includes all of russia west
> of the urals & doesnt extend into mongolia or china at
> all
>
> therefore i sought initially a maximum possible
> siberian peninsular neck
> by running a great circle arc directly from the
> coastal indentation at vladivostok to a corresponding
> indentation at the mouth of the nadym river in the
> gulf of ob
>
> but such a maxi siberian peninsula as this
> whatever else one might say for or against it
> would cut off & include within itself a huge chunk of
> manchuria
> & that apparently cannot semantically be
>
> nor do i imagine such a manchurian lump can very well
> exist any more than it can very well not exist on the
> neck of a siberian peninsula
>
> both of which inconvenient facts together
> in my mind at least
> thus completely bust this maxi neck probability &
> force me to fall back from vladivostok to the next
> available indentation up the coast
> which is at chumikan on the udskaya guba
>
> & a direct line from there to the mouth of the nadym
> whatever else one might say for or against that
> would at least have the virtue of cutting off a
> greatest possible entirely siberian peninsula
> even if not a very recognizably peninsular one
>
> for if the instant recognizability of the
> peninsularity were to become an issue
> it is possible such a true siberian peninsula might
> thus contract farther still
> with the neck terminals on both the arctic ocean & the
> sea of okhotsk falling back eastward again
> & by degrees perhaps all the way to the neck of
> kamchatka
> if necessary to satisfy such a requirement
>
> so clearly some consensus of the absent minded might
> be desirable in this case
> rather than everyone just taking my word for it
>
> but in any case the european peninsular neck isnt so
> very noticeable itself on first glance either
>
> so it remains a question how much noticeability should
> be required of any siberian peninsula candidate
>
> but if the largest semantically possible siberian
> peninsula were allowed to face off against the already
> identified & also largest semantically possible
> european peninsula
> then i think at this point that their comparative
> territorial areas might be so nearly the same as to
> necessitate a photo finish for the silver & bronze
>
> but in all other eventualities
> it looks like europe gets silver & siberia bronze
> but especially if the european crowd stays in the game
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > this peninsula professor at least
> > http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/europegeog.htm
> > acknowledges & even acclaims the european peninsula
> > as the peninsula of peninsulas
> > & correctly recognizes it as an appendage
> > of what he takes to be the eurasian landmass
> > even down to the narrow neck between the white &
> > azov seas
> > but he evidently hasnt yet noticed the african
> > peninsular
> > connection to this same landmass
> > having perhaps confused it
> > however inexplicably also
> > with a brittanic peninsular connection to the
> > european landmass
> >
> > &
> > even any absent minded professorial opinion on the
> > true extent
> > of the siberian peninsula has been completely
> > elusive thus far
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > but in fact which is she
> > > the 2nd or the 3rd
> > >
> > > clearly africa is the first
> > >
> > > but is siberia even a peninsula
> > >
> > > & if so then where would her neck be
> > >
> > > apparently she has nothing so pronounced as the
> > european
> > > peninsular neck between the northernmost sea of
> > azov & the
> > > southernmost white sea
> > >
> > > but is there any best available geographic truth
> > that could
> > finally
> > > settle this question in afroeurasian peninsular
> > olympics
> > >
> > > after gold for africa
> > > is it silver or bronze
> > > for europe & siberia
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hahahahaha
> > > > hahahahaha
> > > > bravo bravo
> > > > transforming what was formerly only the second
> > or third
> > largest
> > > > peninsula of afroeurasia into the true heart &
> > central bank of
> > > > benevolence
> > > >
> > > > standing ovations
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang
> > Schaub"
> > > > <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Kevin,
> > > > > You are just underlining the point. Some may
> > be part of
> > > Europe
> > > > politically
> > > > > (Guadeloupe, Martinique), others culturally
> > (Cyprus in a
> > > way...),
> > > > but not
> > > > > geographically. How do we define "Europe"
> > then? Maybe
> > we
> > > > should relabel the
> > > > > EU as "Community of the Benevolents" and so
> > get rid of the
> > > > "Europe"
> > > > > connotation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before Mike feels compelled to write something
> > again, I
> > may
> > > > add his "hahaha"
> > > > > already here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wolfgang
> > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > > > Von: Kevin Meynell [mailto:knm@m...]
> > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 21:39
> > > > > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Betreff: Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and
> > malmedy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >As long as it calls itself European Union I
> > would wish to
> > > > know what
> > > > > Europe is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Errr.. what about Guadeloupe, Martinique, St
> > Martin,
> > Guiana
> > > > and Reunion,
> > > > > with possibly Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and
> > Saba soon to be
> > > > added? Even
> > > > > Cyprus is arguably not a geographical part
> > of Europe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You could also mention Greenland which was
> > originally
> > part
> > > > of the European
> > > > > Community.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin Meynell
> > > > >
> > > > >
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