You
all seem to fall victim of the Western belief that a boundary is always a
defined legal confine. In the East, as well as in the Soviet-influenced zones,
boundary points are more like monuments to commemorate the strength and vigour
of a country or a political system. It was the same in the old Roman empire:
Neither the Limes nor Hadrian's wall were boundaries in our modern
sense.
Wolfgang
yikes
i dont believe chillinji & kilik
are the same pass
& i dont yet see why chillinji even entered
the
discussion in the first place in
http://egroups.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15843
nor am i at all sure your attachment here depicts or
even contains
the area of kilik pass in any case
but i do believe i have found kilik
pass on your
berkeley map also in the above link
written perhaps
kilikdaban or kilikdawan in cyrillic
at the intersection of 4106 on the
vertical grid &
13471 on the horizontal
where a dashed line trail
crosses the cnpk border
at a boldfaced elevation point of 4765
meters
marked x
this map is problematic tho in indicating india
where
we expect pakistan or pakistani control
as well as in not showing
the tripoint as a distinct
peak
so i should modify my earlier assertion
about that
tho the elevation is about right for afcnpk as given
in the
ibs studies
another thing i just noticed on closer examination
of
the photo is that the date of the monument is rather
more likely 1964
than 1984
oops
but it makes much more sense if the
demarcation
followed directly on the 1963 cnpk cession &
border
agreement
so all in all
i feel we have some good
corroborations here
but it would sure be nice to get some more
overall
data on this mysterious cnpk demarcation of which this
marker 2
is evidently just a part
--- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@...>
wrote:
> Attchment: Kilik pass with AFCNPK
>
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
aletheiak
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:41
PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk pic fallout was
>
Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
>
>
>
> ok i believe i may have resolved this question
>
about the
> purported afcnpk pic as follows
>
> since we know afcnpk is a mountain peak tripoint
> from both the topo & page 3 of
>
>
http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/LimitsinSeas/IBS089.pdf
>
& pages 2ff of
>
>
http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/LimitsinSeas/IBS085.pdf
>
the pictured location in a mountain pass could not
> be afcnpk
>
> & tho there is no known pass anywhere by the
name
> of kilit
> there does happen to be a kilik
pass
> only a short distance east of
afcnpk
> on cnpk
> or rather actually
pakistani controlled kashmir
>
> so i think that is
what you most probably have
> here dom
>
>
marker 2 of a fascinating & previously unreported
> 1984 cnpk
> demarcation
>
>
>
moreover your remarkable discovery suggests afcnpk
> may be
> marked by a similar rock
>
hypothetically marker 1 of the same series
> & that the
numbered sequence may proceed eastward
> from
>
afcnpk thru kilik pass toward some unknown
> destination
>
> perhaps all the way at the east end of the 1963
>
pak cession to
> china of the indopak disputed land shown
in
> crosshatching here
>
>
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/kashmir
>
_disputed_2002.jpg
>
> but i havent been able to find
any other evidence
> of this
> extraordinary cnpk
demarcation of 1984
>
> so i am thinking there could
be something a bit
> unusual & even
> secretive
going on here at these remote locations
> with china &
pakistan cooperating to cut india out
> of several
>
disputed areas
>
> fascinating in any case
>
> > also can you provide any more info on this
other
> > fascinating page of yours
>
>
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/sdrawkcabdom/Border-Images-Afghan
>
PakChina.html
> > which was evidently the source of the
following
> > unresolved try for a more precise
identification
> >
> http://egroups.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15844
>
>
>
>
>
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