& if the strovilia clave was not occupied by any forces between
1974 & 2000
but was simply an air bubble or vacuum sustained by an armistice status
quo
until it finally imploded for some reason in 2000
as you appear to be indicating
then these ghost tripoints were actually just the unilateral creations of
the turks
in their misunderstanding of the limits of the sba
& so they stand or rather stood at the actual ends of
the actual turkish front line
which of course might have varied quite a bit over the 26 years of
deployments
by at least several meters probably
or even tens or hundreds of meters perhaps
& de facto actually refers to this day to day & moment to
moment reality
& it just means what is actually in effect on the ground at any
given point in time
here at big pine & mig torch keys the finishing touches are being
applied to the 86ing ceremonies
which i am expecting to conclude on schedule tonite
i have decided however not to 86 all 86ing at this time
but only my own 86ing
just in case someone else would also like to bust a fatuous idea on its
86th birthday in future
so i am pleased to announce that that resource will remain available even
after the party is over
& i may also reserve the right to continue giving allowance
indefinitely as well
aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:
well
yes we know all this
but you were asking about the actual
tripoints
between 1974 & 2000
werent you
& whether they
exist or count
or what they even were
etc
rather than just asking
about the nearest convenient thing to them
so that is why i am
continuing the pursuit of the actual tripoints
from where you have left
off here
clearly the markers did not mark the actual tripoints but
were just a
convenience in knowing the approximate locations of
them
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...>
wrote:
> UNFICYP made the cease fire line
agreement, which both greeks and
turks agreed on.
>
> So
UNFICYP must have closed of the line, and cleverly used the
already
physical markers.
>
> The road from marker 237 plus the land
south east of Agios Nikolaos
down to the buffer zone is in any case
occupied by the Turks.
>
> Jesper
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: aletheiak
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject:
[BoundaryPoint] Re: Strovilia, and two more defacto
tripoints
(visited)
>
>
>
> --- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...>
> wrote:
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> > also jesper
>
> usually
> > for dejure
there is diplomatic recognition & explicit
tripartite
> agreement with ratifications etc
>
>
> > but you know dejure is just a
more refined development of
defacto
>
anyway
> >
> >
everything is defacto but only the most completed & refined
> confections deserve the name of
dejure
> >
> >
> > also i am curious
>
>
> > how did you decide on these exact
markers as the exact
tripoints
> >
> > I have seen a map made by
UNFICYP
> >
> >
Jesper
>
> well ok but you say
in
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/5953
>
that the turks only reached the north side of the road
>
yet you show marker 237 on the south side of the road
>
& you also indicate a turnpoint opposite it in red line
>
> so dont you rather mean that this imaginary turnpoint
is actually
the
> best available approximation of the
eastern tripoint
> rather than marker 237 per se
> & that in any event both markers 233 & 237 are
merely best
available
> approximations of what are
actually rather more indefinite
tripoints
>
>
>
>
>
>
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