thanx wolfgang

it makes perfect sense now

also jesper
usually

for dejure there is diplomatic recognition & explicit tripartite agreement with ratifications etc

but you know dejure is just a more refined development of defacto anyway

everything is defacto but only the most completed & refined confections deserve the name of dejure

also i am curious

how did you decide on these exact markers as the exact tripoints

& meanwhile

here in key west on the 86th anniversary of the legalization of prohibition

i even paid to park to pay to play bp at an internet cafe today

earlier

for my try du jour

i called the local talk & sports radio station to announce the stunning news & 6day party devoted to celebrating it

with an allowance for all attendees

etc etc

& told them i thought this might be something key west in particular might like to know about

what with the concomitant 86ing of the curse of the bambino

etc etc

& they were entertained

but of course today is football day so call tomorrow morning they said

so of course i saluted them & their celebration of opposition itself in my very teeth as the phone connection was also breaking up

& who knows what portion of all that might have made it thru onto the local airwaves during a laff break

Wolfgang Schaub <Wolfgang.Schaub@...> wrote:

I should have better thought twice: There was no tripoint at all. (Take it as a test to ckeck your alertness)

"Virtual" to me would be a tripoint that is ill-defined due to the undetermined localization of (at least) one of its boundaries. Maybe my choice of the word "virtual" here is also bad...

Wolfgang

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: aletheia kallos [mailto:aletheiak@...]
Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 21:59
An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Freistaat Flaschenhals

Wolfgang Schaub <Wolfgang.Schaub@...> wrote:

This Saturday was a brilliant sun-shiny winter day, perfect for "field studies" in the Freistaat Flaschenhals. First I inspected a contemporary map presented by Mr. Frank Sulek of Bodenthal 2, Lorch, head of the local historical club. Frank also runs the nearby campingground "Suleika" in the Bodental valley. The Flaschenhals, in its narrowest section, was about 100 m wide, near Egenroth. Circles of precisely 30 km had been drawn around Feste Ehrenbreitstein, Koblenz, by the American army, and around Fort Malakoff, Mainz, by the French, respectively. Another circle drawn by the Brits around Cologne is irrelevant here. There were no roads leading through the bottleneck, so that people who wanted to go to the nearest unoccupied district capital, Limburg, had to do this on foot across fields, unless they could pass the controlled boundaries. The village of Laufenselden, northeast of Egenroth, is placed at a section of the Flaschenhals where it begins to open gradually towards NE. Laufenselden is the first village with access to main-Germany; it had been occupied by the French initially - in excess of the 30 km radius -, but they were convinced to let it go after a week. So the NE border, if you will, of the Flaschenhals is an imaginary line running NW - SE between Egenroth and Laufenselden, forming virtual tripoints in a distance of about 100 m.

could you explain more what you mean by virtual tripoints

this is a new idea for me

& i dont yet follow you here

Currently a history student is preparing his PhD thesis about events in and around the Flaschenhals, from documents to be found in the Hessische Staatsarchiv Wiesbaden, and I will enquire in about a year or so whether there is a chance to obtain copies of his thesis. A much better known historical boundary touches the Flaschenhals at its NE end: The Roman Limes. 1850 years ago this was the boundary between the Roman empire and the barbaric Germanic tribal zone. 2 - 3 km west of Laufenselden is a section of the limes with wall, dip and watchtower foundations still visible in the fields. Wolfgang PS: Not to forget: I identified and "climbed" the highest point in the Flaschenhals - an unnamed point of 537 m altitude in the Kemeler Heide between Egenroth and Laufenselden.

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