I dare to comment it by the sheer fact, that whether we like it or not, when we deal with boundaries, there is always a history. Changes in whereabouts of the tripoints and new borders are a natural consequence of not living in status quo. Therefore, my interest does not concern just the borders and tripoints of current legitimacy, but also those ones that does not exist anymore. To give you an example, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia fell apart giving birth to new tripoints, and new treaties about boundaries, tripoints. It did not always happen through a peaceful process. Borders in Europe of 1937 were not the same in 1947, were not tha same in 1997. The history, the Zeitgeist, the politics and political doctrines are there all the way. It comes with the territory of interests and politics. Politics of nationalism create borders, and new tripoints. The Oslo treaty from 1993 created Palestine and new borders and new tripoints. The final treaty about the exact place may be more or less mathematics, but the treaty has a long history of creation.

So, no we can not take a breather from something just because we don't like it, when we first say that we are interested in tripoints and boundaries. It does not sound very convincing if I was to say: Hey, I like to look up tripoints and boundaries, but only the ones with a nice history or (even better) no history at all. Just treaties and mathematics, that's what I prefer.

I hope this forum does not forbid to talk about history of tripoints and boundaries, because then I would like to know.

Petter

aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:

yes i understand thats why you might want to know that len but i still dont see why we would want to know that for what you call history & the past is in my view by & large just a history of crime & woe & not really very appealing or useful at all & i would actually not mind taking a breather from such history myself hahahahaha & would like to dwell a little in a brighter present where i am actually having a fantastic time just now answering you & dwelling as i do on our still brighter future ahhh for the lessons of a brighter present & future hahahahaha dont you think we have had enough lessons from freakin history already hahahahahaha for thats just tired old conventional wisdom farting again my friend & please dont stop anything len & most of all dont stop telling me to stop for right or wrong i love you just the way you are nor do i think i will ever get used to you --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote: > > >Kallos wrote "...why would we even want to know that" > > We'd perhaps want to know that in order to learn from history. > Some of the members live for the past - which isn't "right" > or "wrong - so get used to it and stop asking. > LN > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos > <aletheiak@y...> wrote: > > Wolfgang Schaub <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote: > > I can see now why Austria favors the condominium philosophy - it > would > > provide them a greater share of the lake. > > > > But we still don't know which "philosophy" prevailed during the > Anschluss > > period. > > > > > > > > true but again why would we even want to know that > > > > surely you dont imagine it is relevant to finding the true atchde > tripoint position or legal status today or ever > > > > > > > > & in your ensuing train of thought i am still looking for the > locomotive too > > > > or any motive at all for that matter > > > > like what is your pleasure in this odd excursion anyway > > > > just strangeness for its own sake perhaps > > > > well ok i guess i can vaguely appreciate that > > > > > > > > but one cant necessarily agree with your conclusion or rather your > terminal non sequitur about wet & dry real estate valuations > > > > at least not in cases where exploitable resources are involved > > > > > > > > nor can one necessarily see how any of this sheds any light on your > chosen title or vice versa > > > > > > > > but maybe we should just adopt an uncritical free pass or laissez > faire approach to all nonsense now that you have embraced it so > emphatically > > > > after all bp does remain everyones land even if it is no longer > just the multipointing society that discovered everyones land > > > > so you undoubtedly have a right to be here & express yourself > > > > & there is nothing that says you ever have to make sense > > > > so please dont worry about any of this > > > > but i guess what it boils down to is > > > > do you actually want your thinking to be entertained or not > > > > > > > > Has the late "Fuehrer" missed a point here? Had he adopted the > > condominium philosophy in time he would have caused trouble to the > Swiss, > > which he was always looking for. > > > > And what a pity that Liechtenstein does not make it to the shores > of Lake > > Constance! We would have a fourth party to gamble with. > > > > It appears that regulating borders is more difficult when it faces > fluid > > materia. On solid ground we seem to have an easier play. An inverse > > proportionality to the higher value that land has over water. > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo!