many thanx martin
it is always a treat to hear from you
& i will be saving up & looking out for the new volume
but before i would actually press on for the coords here
the peculiar status you detail for the idmysg tripoints raises this new question
since the
hypothetical equidistance tripoint
is now a fairly prevalent notion in tripoint creation by both negotiation & judgment
wouldnt there also be in both these idmysg cases
a hypothetical or perhaps now even a presumptive equidistance tripoint based not on the nearest points of dry land any longer but on these present bilaterally agreed terminal points
or in other words
wouldnt a most educated guess at & most diligent try for these tripoints
such as they are in their present state of development
consist precisely in equilibrating their positions from the coords of the existing bilateral terminal points
so that such coords would indeed be very much of interest to such a try
however academic it may later prove to be
for if you see & agree with this view & this drift
then by all means i would love to have the coords of the terminal points to reduce into their respective putative tripoints
indeed it would be quite a thrill to compute & reach them in that case
Martin Pratt <m.a.pratt@...> wrote:
The agreed IDMY, IDSG and MYSG boundaries all stop well short of the
equidistance tripoints both east and west of Singapore. Moreover,
none of the relevant agreements makes provision for an extension
towards a tripoint at a future date, so plenty of work remains to be
done before the tripoints are formally defined. In the east, no
progress is likely to be made until the International Court of
Justice has ruled on whether Malaysia or Singapore has sovereignty
over the disputed islets of Pulau Batu Puteh/Pedra Branca, Middle
Rocks and South Ledge; I think that is unlikely to happen before the
summer of 2006 at the earliest.
If anyone is interested, I can supply the coordinates of the
terminal points of the three agreed bilateral boundaries to the east
and west of Singapore.
You may also be interested to know that Volume
5 of the American
Society of International Law's 'International Maritime Boundaries'
series, due for publication in the spring, will include an in-depth
study of tripoint issues in maritime boundary delimitation -
including a table summarising the state of play with regard to 127
agreed and potential maritime boundary tripoints around the world!
m a r t i n
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
wrote:
>
> & to pursue the question of the idmysg tripoints if possible
> since you have coords for these 2 points on mysg
> would you also happen to have its terminal points
>
> & would you know if they are they comparable to those of the
> idsg terminal points
>
> this recent paper
> http://www.fig.net/pub/jakarta/papers/ts_09/ts_09_3_hanifa_etal.pdf
>
appears to indicate idsg is incomplete in the critical areas
> with sketchy terminal sectors that appear to deliberately
> overshoot the as yet undefined tripoints
>
> &or to the relevant idmy terminal points if any
>
> & from the coords of the turnpoints it appears the 1970 idmy
> boundary applies only some distance westward of idmysgw & not at
> all to the critical areas per limits in seas number 50
>
> nor could i find any other idmy
>
> so even if you do have the coords for the mysg terminal points
> they probably still wont qualify as finished tripoints
>
> but perhaps you can improve on these data
> or on this analysis
>
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Pratt"
> > > <m.a.pratt@d...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Malaysia and Singapore signed a territorial sea boundary
> > > agreement in 1995 which provided geographical coordinates for
> > > a boundary originally established in 1927 as "an imaginary
> > > line following the centre of the deep-water channel in
> > > Johore Strait".
> > >
> > > m a r t i n