well that is interesting
& here i am on a 20minute computer
so i may have to respond in chunks & lurching insertions
but the findings on the site were equally interesting
as were those before & after
so first
i of course couldnt just go direct to cone from my last stop at kearney
but was magnetized by the remote sand hill country as i always am when passing thru
this is another supposedly extreme &or unique dreamland of glacial leavings
that could probably be just as casually dismissed as the iowa loess hills range
but these hills arent all lined up in a chain so much as just in a huge scatter shot
& they & their whole region do have a uniquely dreamy character too
which is most enjoyable when you chance upon a rare jewel of a sand hills lake
suggesting a living continuation from the original glacial meltdown
cone itself i reached only early this morning
after sleeping out under a first light frost in the parking lot at grandma max bosselmans nearby deluxe truck stop
with still cozy thoughts but some concern for the hard freezes plus high mountains that are expected for tonight & beyond if i am not careful about how i proceed from here
but to continue with cone
as i had indeed correctly recalled
each of the 4 quadrants of the 20th century ceremonial slab surrounding the original but beheaded 19th century rock stub & later cap disk
is clearly marked out & devoted & attributed to one of the 4 counties
sw sedgwick colo
se perkins neb
ne keith neb
nw deuel neb
all plain & simple
you look
you see
& you cant doubt it is a fact
plus there is lots of other fine detail among the directional crosshair arrows
like latitude & longitude & altitude & declination etc
all in bronze to match the various tablets
making it all seem really exacting as well as authoritative
& if you dont read & analyze all the fine print on the 5 verbose commemorative plaques installed by the respective county & state hysterical societies
which requires somehow clambering over the protective wrought iron picket fence
which i wasnt able to do last time but was finally able to manage this time
you might think you had just seen a megapoint there
as i have thought for all these years since my previous visit
but embedded in the fine print mainly under keith county is the revelation that
tho keith formerly touched colorado til perkins was sliced off of it in 1887
its southwest corner today is the southwest corner of section 18 of township 12 north of range 41 of the 6th principal meridian
which i think essentially agrees with topozone & your data here below
tho it only addresses the keith offset & not the deuel offset
which however i dont doubt either at this point
since you do have it in at least these 2 county descriptions
& the monument has it in the words of people from the 3rd county
& there is that wiggle in the usgs topo to account for those 54 feet
but exactly why a monument would deliberately misrepresent its border conjunction & then confound itself in the accompanying fine print & then try to prevent you from reading that fine print i do find rather hard to understand
tho i suppose it is just that local pride must count for more than small distances & details in such wide open spaces
but having resolved all that to my satisfaction
i saw a rare chance to devour a couple of entire highways in a row
so i have proceeded from big springs to sterling on us138 end to end
& there i picked up colorado14 bound for rabbit ears pass by the back door
if it doesnt snow tonight as promised etc
beeps
"Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...> wrote:
The statutory description of the boundaries of Perkins County (Nebraska Revised
Statutes 22-168) indicate that CONE CONE is not even a tripoint, much less a
quadripoint:
"The county of Perkins is bounded as follows: Commencing at the southwest corner
of township nine, north, of range forty-two, west, on the west boundary of
Nebraska; thence east to the southeast corner of township nine, north, of range
thirty-five, west; thence north to the northeast corner of section twenty-four,
township twelve, west; thence west on section lines to the northwest corner of
section nineteen, in township twelve, north, of range forty-one, west; thence
south along the west line of said section nineteen to its intersection with the
south boundary of Nebraska; thence east along said boundary line to the monument
at the northeast corner of Colorado; thence south
along the west boundary of
Nebraska to the place of beginning."
Thus, Perkins County has a stubby panhandle extending across north of CONE CONE!
Furthermore, the statutory description of the boundaries of Deuel County
(Nebraska Revised Statutes 22-125) give us the east-west dimention of the stubby
Perkins panhandle:
The county of Deuel is bounded as follows: Commencing at the point where the
line between ranges forty-one and forty-two, west of the sixth principal
meridian intersects the south boundary of Nebraska, eighty-two links west of the
monument at the northeast corner of Colorado; thence west..."
So, the Deuel-Perkins-Sedgwick tripoint is 82 links (54.12 feet) west of CONE
CONE, and the Deuel-Keith-Perkins tripoint would be a somewhat longer distance
north of that. Jack suggests 500 feet, and I think that's probably close.
If the road alignments on USGS can be trusted, CONE CONE should be slightly east
of the
road junction, that junction being Deuel-Perkins-Sedgwick. Note how USGS
has the road southward from the junction slanting slightly to the east for about
a hundred yards to find the north-south segment of CONE.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] kearney ne Re: sidney ia
>
>
> & not just to recite the cone on cone history promised below
> but to add a few more essential messages relating to the collection
> of quadricounty points
> which i have also just rediscovered
>
> the original cones photo is temporarily lost but the reaction to it
> in message 361 lives on
>
> more importantly tho
> 4866
> 4869
> 8651
> 8655
> 8679
> 9389
especially for jacks list
> 9408
> but of course remember to scotch dcmdvan from these
> since we now know it as a near miss
>
>
> & my errand at cone on cone today will be to either confirm or bust
> it as a quadripoint
> since i believe the monument does tell the real story there
> but cant quite recollect yet what it says
>
> beeps
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > very interesting
> > thanx
> > & no need to be afraid so long as you dont blow reality too far
> out
> > of proportion
> > & even then no problem really either
> > since even a revoked poetic license can easily be restored
> >
> >
> > indeed the following q&a just came on line from multidimensional
> > reality
> > for today only
> > so here
it is again for posterity too
> > as follows
> >
> >
> > is it reality
> > or is it not reality
> >
> > a l l
> > things are reality
> >
> > even if only one is imagining it
> > it is a reality in that the thought has been offered
> > & someone who has the ability to translate that vibration will
> > perceive it
> >
> > it must be fair to say that anything that can be perceived must be
> > reality because as creators your reality depends upon what you are
> > willing to imagine & allow
> >
> >
> > end quote
> >
> >
> > so maybe i was being little hard on those of you i asked to get
> real
> > the other day
> >
> > it is just that for me
> > the only reality worth trying for here is the multidimensional one
> >
>
> & tho multipointing was the original focus of bp
> > it is true that anything goes here now
> > & anything at all lovely is indeed well appreciated
> >
> >
> >
> > now
> > back to the nitty gritty reality
> > i was drawn to a particular quadricounty point probability here in
> > nebraska yesterday
> > namely butler polk seward york aka buposeyo
> > situated just northeast of gresham
> > because it looked like a near miss in my 17dollar delorme nebraska
> > atlas
> > & i was curious to see just how close of a near miss it was
> >
> > this atlas however has since then repeatedly demonstrated its
> > complete inadequacy
> > so luckily i stopped at a library & checked this megapoint out at
> > topozone too before barging ahead
> >
> > & lo & behold
> > usgs shows
it not as a near miss at all but as a perfect road
> > centerline cross
> >
> > er
> > not to get too excited yet either tho
> > since the usgs has long since demonstrated its inadequacy too
> >
> >
> > but what was most interesting in the event was that each of the 4
> > corners of this simple road intersection proved to have been
> > signposted with its own pair of street names
> > & the 8 names thus produced for these 2 humble dirt roads were all
> > different
> >
> > yikes
> > quite a scene
> >
> > this 4 signpost situation
> > which is not unique
> > for i have previously encountered it at several other midwestern
> > megapoints
> > finally impressed me this time as being quite significant
> > & nearly sufficient proof for confirming a centerline intersection
> >
quadripoint
> > as distinct from some pair of very near miss tripoints
> >
> > & it occurs to me that the only higher level of proof might be to
> > find official roadmaps of all 4 counties agreeing to this point
> >
> >
> > still a final difficulty may be encountered if you try to actually
> > touch or mark the megaconjunction with your big toe there in the
> dust
> >
> > for then you see that the 4 convergent roads wiggle about quite a
> > bit not only in terms of their bearings but also their widths
> > & to such a degree that the square inch you thought you nailed
> with
> > your toe
> > might better be expressed as a square foot
> > or even a square yard
> >
> > not that this is really a problem
> >
> > for i suppose the actual governing principle is that the
> convergent
> >
counties all maintain a half share of each road
> > wherever & however it wiggles
> > so the location of the truest available quadripoint can probably
> be
> > more accurately determined than i actually did by eyeballing it
> >
> > say
> > by halving the empirical width of the road beds diagonally across
> > the intersection
> > or by employing some other still more definitive test if possible
> >
> >
> > & having resolved that nagging issue to my most complete
> > satisfaction ever
> > i am off next to one of my favorite points
> > namely cone on cone
> > or the northeast corner of colorado
> > on the colorado nebraska state line
> >
> > there is some interesting bp history on this point which i will
> try
> > to dig up on my next computer session
> > after posting this much
now
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > I'm afraid that Iowa's claim to have cornered the non-Chinese
> > market on loessial
> > > hills is quite a provincially myopic overstatement!
> > >
> > > Loess is a light brown to buff-colored eolian (wind-deposited)
> > soil. It covers
> > > the western two-thirds of Illinois; eastern, southern, and
> western
> > Iowa;
> > > southeastern Minnesota; northwestern Missouri; the southeastern
> > half of
> > > Nebraska; north-central, northwestern, and southwestern Kansas;
> > far eastern
> > > Colorado, the Oklahoma panhandle; and much of the Texas
> > panhandle. A notable
> > > band of loess 20 to 40 miles wide also extends southward from
> > Illinois
through
> > > Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, and slightly into Louisiana
> > along the east
> > > sides of the Mississippi River and Yazoo River valleys. There
> are
> > other
> > > loessial deposits in southeastern Washington and neighboring
> areas
> > of Idaho and
> > > Oregon.
> > >
> > > Most of these loessial areas are relatively flat, so loessial
> > hills are indeed
> > > rarer than loess. However, practically all of the bluffs along
> > the Mississippi
> > > River are loessial hills, including the famed bluffs of Memphis,
> > Vicksburg, and
> > > Natchez. The Palouse region in the State of Washington, etc. is
> > also an
> > > important area of loessial hills.
> > >
> > > The thing that makes loess form such impressive hills and
bluffs
> > (where it's not
> > > flat) is a near vertical angle of repose. This means that a
> very
> > steep slope,
> > > bluff or cliff will be stable. In fact, an artificially cut
> slope
> > will
> > > naturally erode to vertical. This is why you will see that
> > highway and railway
> > > cuts in loess country are made vertical from the beginning.
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:07 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] sidney ia
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > have just
been decompressing from all the recent loony eclipse
> > fun
> > > > etc in st louis
> > > > by dead reckoning toward the greater iamone area here on back
> > roads
> > > > which means mainly the lettered highways in missouri
> > > >
> > > > these offer a rare opportunity
> > > > equalled i think only by the byways of wisconsin
> > > > for trying to create words as you go
> > > >
> > > > it isnt as easy as it sounds
> > > >
> > > > rather like playing scrabble with an impossibly bad hand
> > > > plus
> > > > not being allowed to rearrange your tiles
> > > >
> > > > so far my longest word has been keno
> > > >
> > > > i know thats not too impressive yet
> > > > but at least it is the name of something
else you can play if
> you
> > > > prefer
> > > >
> > > > i would like to try for a full sentence next
> > > >
> > > > but make that next time around
> > > > as i have just emerged into iowa
> > > > where this rare literary opportunity no longer exists
> > > >
> > > > what they do have around here is a loess hills scenic byway
> > > > for back roading between riverton & i think akron
> > > >
> > > > & this has caught my fancy too
> > > > so long as the incredibly hard south wind seems to be blowing
> me
> > > > that way anyway
> > > >
> > > > if i got the story right
> > > > this long strip of western iowa has the only loess hills of any
> > > > significance anywhere outside of central asia
>
> > >
> > > > i think the loess must be the smooth milk chocolaty stuff
> under
> > all
> > > > this corn
> > > >
> > > > for more details & examples of the prevailing dreamscape
> > > > http://www.byways.org/browse/byways/2187
> > > >
> > > > the only question is
> > > > will i blunder into any of the 34 tertiary megapoints of iowa
> by
> > > > going this way
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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