well buddy in morning light i see all this was a bit extreme even
for me to say
maximalist absolutist radical fundamentalist extremist that i am
but you see how practically everyone here is bent on revising this
our special venue for extreme multidimensional truth
by so often redefining this truth right out of its very
multidimensionality & extremity
& so i just wish to stand up for truth in multipointing
as for truth in all questing
& everyone elses truth can of course be different from mine
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> well
> before finally settling on the jetboat
> i did indeed launch my canoe into the big sioux just as you
> recommend
> from a picnic area not far above its mouth
> hoping to paddle &or drift down with the current & out onto the
> missouri
> & only then to decide whether to risk cutting diagonally across
> the bigger & stiffer river to the tripoint position just below the
> confluence
>
> however
> the wind was so strong that it drove me straight up the big
sioux
> despite my paddling furiously down it
>
> quite the picture
>
> & after much effort i was scarcely able to regain my starting
point
> tho only by landing & rope walking the canoe back downstream
> before wisely pulling it out & gladly heading for the jetboat
> as the wind only increased after that
>
>
> & i also bailed out after putting my canoe in at ksmone
> & almost immediately swamping in the choppier currents there
> before finally making that point too in a flat bottomed boat with
an
> outboard motor
>
>
> & at iamone i knew better than to even try to put in
> & am rather proud of my twin class d visits there
> so far
> made from both equally hard to reach banks
> when i think of what might have happened had i persisted with
> the canoe
>
>
> nor were these just 3 isolated incidents but encores of the
> several months i had already spent farther upriver at the
> standing rock sioux reservation
>
> in my experience the upper missouri is almost always both
> windy & choppy
> & you would have been quite lucky to make any of these 3
points
> in a canoe on most any day
> & i sincerely hope you wont even try to prove your point
>
>
>
> & yelps
> there is nothing at all extreme about your supposedly extreme
> land points in cases where the true extremities are not on land
>
> quite the contrary
>
> thats why extremities are called & prized as the extremities that
> they are
>
> better to call such visits as you define below relative extremes
> or compromises
> or accommodations
> or proxies
> or surrogacies
> or something else
>
> in a word anything but extremities
>
>
> but anyway
> you have done so many of these
> whatever they are
> that i am still looking forward to your first complete news tour of
> them of any place
>
> that really will be news on some level
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "bjbutlerus"
> <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> > You said a jetboat is "recommended" for IANESD. Sorry for
> extending
> > your meaning to "necessary." However, I wouldn't even
> recommend a
> > jetboat because it is easy enough to visit this wet-point by
> kayak or
> > canoe. I think we visited during average water conditions. In
> fact
> > it had been raining across the Dakotas for several days
before
> the
> > visit. The current was quite manageable and the water was
> flat. I
> > don't think a canoe would be any problem at all, either on the
> Big
> > Sioux or the Missouri in the vicinity of IANESD.
> >
> > Regarding SDS, of course I visited "dry" SDS because, as
you
> noted, I
> > only count dry NEWS points. In fact, that is how I define them
> (i.e.
> > northernmost, easternmost, westernmost, and
southernmost
> points of
> > land) and I would call visiting all four thus-defined extreme
> points a
> > complete NEWS tour. I suggest we combine my definition
with
> your
> > likely reaction and call these YELPS (Yikes, extreme land
> points).
> >
> > BJB
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "bjbutlerus"
> > > <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> > > > Re: IANESD
> > > >
> > > > A jet-ski is not necessary for IANESD. You can either put
in
> a
> > > canoe
> > >
> > > yikes
> > > i didnt say or mean the jetboat is necessary here
> > > but it is a nice easy charter they give you from the municipal
> dock
> >
> > >
> > > & a kayak i would believe
> > > but not a canoe
> > >
> > > i have never felt secure in a canoe anywhere on the
missouri
> > > & am astonished you are recommending one here of all
> places
> > > unless if you visited in unusually slack water on an
unusually
> > > calm day
> > >
> > > this extreme canoe caution applies equally to iamone &
> ksmone
> > > & comes from one who has made a dozen other points this
> way
> > > most of them precariously enough without high wind or
> currents
> > >
> > >
> > > & sds is of course a wet point
> > > being more nearly in the center of the river than ianesd
> > > tho i know you well enough to know you only mean dry sds
> > > & not true radical sds by golf cart
> > > yikes
> > > as i realize you dont care for true news points
> > > let alone complete news tours
> > >
> > > but did you go looking for dry ianesd in the golf cart too
> > > yikes
> > >
> > > fore track & skoal
> > >
> > >
> > > > at the public park about a mile upstream on the left bank
of
> the
> > > Big
> > > > Sioux and take out on the left bank of the Missouri about a
> mile
> > > > downstream from the trifinium. or just put in and take out
at
> the
> > > > private campsite on the right bank of the Missouri almost
> > > directly
> > > > across from the trifinium. Details on reaching this launch
> point
> > > at:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://ns36.super-hosts.com/~bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdet
> > > ail.php3?point=33
> > > >
> > > > And while you are in the neighborhood, be sure to check
> out
> > > SDS, one
> > > > of the few NEWS points easily accessible by golf cart:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://ns36.super-hosts.com/~bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdet
> > > ail.php3?point=434
> > > >
> > > > BJB
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > continuing to enjoy your many reports
> > > > > & responding again below to your request for
comments
> > > > > some of which will admittedly be silly
> > > > > but hopefully they get better as they go
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/june2004/5.htm
> > > > >
> > >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12409
> > > > > particularly the suggestion to dig for the marker at the
> fence
> > > line
> > > > > intersection next time anyone visits
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/june2004/19.htm
> > > > > the marker is unusual in indicating 2 distinctly different
> > > tripoint
> > > > > positions a few millimeters apart
> > > > > tho both are coverable with a single touch of an index
> finger
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/june2004/21.htm
> > > > > compliments on choosing mokee dugway for your
grand
> > > finale
> > > > >
> > > > > it is especially recommended in extremely high winds
> > > > >
> > > > > they & the panoramic view of monument valley from
> muley
> > > point
> > > > > near the top of the dugway kept me pinned to the spot
for
> > > days
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/july2004/2.htm
> > > > > the canvor monument doesnt mention arizona
> > > > >
> > > > > & oregon is mentioned on the von schmidt canv
> monuments
> > > > > only because canvor was his 1873 starting point
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/7696
> > > > > & also 11527
> > > > > for possible help with your retry whether by jet ski or
other
> > > means
> > > > >
> > > > > finding & sighting between the right markers may not
be
> so
> > > easy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/july2004/21.htm
> > > > > answers the question asked at the bottom of
> > > > >
> > >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/14617
> > > > > for which i am most grateful
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/july2004/23.htm
> > > > > seems to promise a trip to ianesd
> > > > >
> > > > > a jetboat charter is recommended there
> > > > > as well as for idorwa
> > > > > tho a canoe will do for azcanv
> > > > > as it will for most of the others
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/other/arccorner.ht
> > > > > m
> > > > > for particulars on the arcs etc
> > > > >
> > >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12156
> > > > > & also messages 614 & 644 & 12321