Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
Date: Jul 16, 2004 @ 14:26
Author: Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng
try afoot
> Ok thanks.
> In http://tinyurl.com/5ppgp how come the border hits
> both river banks? Isn't it supposed to be the median
> line in the river?
> Also in the same map, if you pan NE you can see an old
> map with the 2 meanders (and the border running
> through them). Here also the border is not in the
> middle of the river. In fact there it ran on land in
> one part. I CAN understand this (avulsions,
> accretions would NOT affect the border normally,
> right?).
> But this brings me back to my first question - where
> the current border hits the banks - didn't the 1970
> treaty make it so it was the median line even if the
> river moved? (Or am I not understanding this
> correctly?)
> -Mike
>
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...> wrote:
> > Michael,
> >
> > See my insertions below.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc
> > census was Re: real bjneng
> > try afoot
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for these maps:
> > > For 1. Is the arc the one which faces north with
> > the
> > > "HUA" of CHIHUAHUA under it and the "S" of TEXAS
> > above
> > > it? Or the tighter one facing south just to the
> > right
> > > of it? Or the real wide one facing northeast to
> > the
> > > right of that?
> >
> > The arc in this map ( http://tinyurl.com/6msfp ) is
> > the really wide curve. The
> > others are bends in the natural channel above the
> > beginning of the artificial
> > channel. There is a short tangent stitch in the
> > artificial channel connecting
> > the natural channel to the beginning of the wide
> > arc. After making the arc, the
> > artificial channel enters a very long tangent for
> > over five miles. The former
> > natural channel is represented on this map by the
> > line that wanders away to the
> > lower left.
> >
> > > 2. Arc is the wide curve facing WSW where the
> > other
> > > stream comes in?
> >
> > Yes. In this map ( http://tinyurl.com/6u56h ), the
> > arc comes at the end of the
> > very long tangent mentioned above. The other stream
> > coming in is the old
> > channel. Notice how it formerly crossed the middle
> > of the arc. After the arc,
> > there is another short tangent before this segment
> > of the relocation ends as the
> > river resumes its natural channel.
> >
> > > 3. Arc faces NNE to the right of "CO" of PRESIDIO
> > CO?
> > > Or facing S/SSW just below BM 252?
> >
> > The former. Between arcs 2 and 3, the river has
> > occupied its natural channel
> > between the cities of Presidio and Ojinaga. Just
> > below the highway bridge, it
> > enters a tangent artificial channel of approximately
> > 1.25 miles without any
> > transitional arc. Then, in this map (
> > http://tinyurl.com/6qgrl ), that tangent
> > ends with a transitional arc back to the natural
> > channel just above the railroad
> > bridge. The curve near the benchmark is a natural
> > bend. There are two more
> > tangent artificial channels in the area below the
> > railroad bridge, but they are
> > without transitional arcs.
> >
> > > 4. I remember seeing this before - the 1/4 circle
> > > facing SE.
> >
> > Yes. At http://tinyurl.com/5ppgp , you can see the
> > natural channel making a
> > large meander off to the northwest of this arc. It
> > makes another large meander
> > to the north of the artificial tangent just below
> > the arc. The relocation here
> > eliminated both meanders in the river and boundary.
> >
> > > Also - Is Beaver Island somewhere in this
> > vicinity?
> > > Is this still an island (if it is in the area, did
> > > rechannelization have an effect?)?
> >
> > The "Beaver Island" tract that was transferred to
> > Mexico in the 1970 treaty was
> > located near Roma-Los Saenz, Texas (about 48 air
> > miles upriver from the fourth
> > arc above). It was where the word "Tamaulipas" now
> > appears on the map at
> > http://tinyurl.com/54zcp . It was a rather squarish
> > piece of the USA had been
> > been orphaned high-and-dry on the southern side of
> > the river by a much earlier
> > avulsion. This tract and the more contentious
> > Horcón tract, on which part of
> > the town of Río Rico had unwittingly developed
> > (about 26 air miles downriver
> > from the fourth arc above) were transferred to
> > Mexico in exchange for the two
> > meanders gained by the USA at the artificial fourth
> > arc. No channel relocations
> > were necessary for the transfer of the Beaver Island
> > and Horcón tracts because
> > both were already on the southern side of the
> > existing river. The island within
> > the river that is visible on the map belongs to the
> > USA.
> >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > The maps from the MXUS Treaty of 1970 showing
> > four
> > > > arcs are at a scale of
> > > > 1:20,000 on three long sheets, each about one
> > foot
> > > > by three feet. They are
> > > > black-and-white aerial photos with the
> > boundaries
> > > > through both the old channels
> > > > (shown by lines between numbered traverse
> > points)
> > > > and the projected relocated
> > > > channels plotted onto them.
> > > >
> > > > I can scan pertinent portions of these maps for
> > you
> > > > on request. Meanwhile, here
> > > > are links to view the arcs on USGS topo maps
> > showing
> > > > the arcs in the relocated
> > > > channels.
> > > >
> > > > There are three arcs in the Presidio/Ojinaga
> > area:
> > > > Curve No. 1: http://tinyurl.com/6msfp
> > > > Curve No. 2: http://tinyurl.com/6u56h
> > > > Curve No. 3: http://tinyurl.com/6qgrl
> > > >
> > > > The fourth is above Hidalgo/Reynosa:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/5ppgp
> >
> > > >
> > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
>
>
>
>
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