Mike,
Thanks for the compliment!
I once made a map of the neutral zone, but I haven't been able to find it today.
If I don't find it in a day or two, I'll redo one. To do that, I'll need to
find the text of the 1806 signed agreement between the military commanders. The
eastern boundary of the neutral zone gets a little complicated north of the head
of the Calcasieu River, so I don't want to map it from memory.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "acroorca2002" <orc@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:37 AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sawanobori of the Calcasieu
brilliant as well as lovely
as well as very lucky to find such ideal conditions
for so piquant & boundarypointed a shower climb
so close to home
i should add
while still bleary eyed on the morning after my first round of
thames source drinking tries
which i will get around to reporting in another message if i ever
sober up
but let me insert some kibitzes below too
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> During the time between the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 and
the Adams-de Onís
> Treaty of 1819, the location of the boundary between American
Louisiana and
> Spanish Texas was uncertain. While the diplomats and
politicians wasted time
> and accomplished little, the respective American and Spanish
generals in the
> region took matters into their own hands and established a
de-facto neutral zone
> by signed agreement. The eastern boundary of this zone
ascended the west bank
> of the Calcasieu River from mouth to head before heading
directly overland to
> another stream farther north.
fantastic
this is already way beyond bus&ss
can you flash us a map of it
> About 20 years ago, as an experiment in demarcation, I
decided to locate the
> head of the Calcasieu River on the landscape. It's about 14
miles northeast of
> here, at the red crossmark on the TopoZone map at
http://tinyurl.com/2k56z .
i agree with your conclusion
having also zoomed out to check the 2 preceding confluents
which were interesting puzzles in themselves
> It's a pine forest, kept clear of underbrush by controlled
burning, so it was
> easy to access the streamcourse from a woods road on a
nearby ridge.
>
> I didn't know whether to expect a spring or what, but the actual
course was dry
> for a few hundred yards above the first moisture. It was
obviously a
> streamcourse kept bare of vegetation by flowing water, at least
when it rains.
> Since the generals' agreement placed the boundary on the
west bank of the river,
> I applied the theory that a stream's bed is distinguished from
its bank by the
> lack of vegetation. Therefore, I concluded that the official head
of the river
> should be placed at the upper end of its bed, thus defined.
Since any line from
> that point to the ridge would have had no west bank, I saw not
need for the
> boundary to go there.
>
> The several other imaginary boundary commissioners
concurred with my decision.
i would agree too since there was never any actual demarcation
& their imaginary visit as well as the imaginary demarcation
would most probably have occurred on a lovely day rather than in
a downpour
but the shower climbing might have reached the ridge under
such perfect conditions
which would have gained for spain a couple hundred meters
from the neutral zone
please stand by while i have another drink
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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